The backbreaker

[ignoramus]

Are we allowed to cherry pick what's literal and what's a metaphor?
Go on, everyone else does.

[robvalue]

No, only Christians are allowed to do that. Us atheists have to do what it actually says!

[ignoramus]

Hehehe no wonder they call us arseholes! We follow the bible literally! what nerve!

[Drich]

I've spoken with Christians who are OK with contradictions in the Bible, Christians who believe in the Big Bang and unguided evolution, and Christians who disregard the unsavory things in the Old Testament. But I have never seen a good response to my backbreaker here.  The Christian retreats behind the shield of faith, no longer even sure what that faith is in.

It's a simple question:
Is God above the law or not?

It would seem to me that the answer to this question is an obvious no. Jesus had to die because of the weight of the law. If God was above the law then he would just forgive everyone without sending his son to pay for the debts.

But then there is a problem. Deuteronomy 24:16 says,

The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

This, presumably, is directly from God.

Then in 2 Samuel 12:13-20, David's son is killed by God because of sins committed by David.

So it looks like God actually is above the law.  Why, then, did Jesus die on the cross?  Surely it was not for his own amusement.  Ultimately there was no reason for it since God, being above the law, can wipe the slate clean with no need of a human sacrifice.

Therefore Christianity, a belief system based entirely on the "fact" that Jesus rose from a death that was necessary for our salvation, renders itself pointless.

silly atheist, apologetics are for theists!

The literal translation reads as follows:
The word for:
Father
Execute/slay
Son
Son
Execute/slay
Father
Man
Execute/slay
Sin
https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/deu/...onc_177016

Everything else in this passage:
The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
was added based off Jewish traditions. In fact an honest person would have noted the bible notes that says this passage could also read "with" instead of the word for. Because we simply do not know, and to be honest does not matter much as their are no more OT Jews.

All of that aside, This is a command from God to His people concerning relatives dying for the sins of others in their family, we in our unsaved state are not Children of God so the law does not apply.

Jesus clearly explains this in the parable of the wheat and weeds, the sheep and goats, the wheat and chaff. He makes no bones about telling us that all of us were not placed here by God.

[Mister Agenda]

@ NV, I see you have to resort to grade school tactics to reply to Christians with knowledge of the scriptures. So, you think that God will eternally punish those people who have to work on the Sabbath, doctors, nurses, ect. Yeah right. I'm done with this conversation, your back breaker has backfired on you.

GC

Repeating 'you're wrong' in different ways does not demonstrate that you are a Christian with knowledge of the scriptures. People with real knowledge show their work. Mere assertions don't cut it.

[Godscreated]

@ NV, I see you have to resort to grade school tactics to reply to Christians with knowledge of the scriptures. So, you think that God will eternally punish those people who have to work on the Sabbath, doctors, nurses, ect. Yeah right. I'm done with this conversation, your back breaker has backfired on you.

GC

Repeating 'you're wrong' in different ways does not demonstrate that you are a Christian with knowledge of the scriptures. People with real knowledge show their work. Mere assertions don't cut it.

Go read my first post to the OP.

GC

[robvalue]

This is an artist's interpretation of these arguments versus weak-ass apologetics:

http://youtu.be/6AAdrky5mKQ

[Drich]

This is an artist's interpretation of these arguments versus weak-ass apologetics:

http://youtu.be/6AAdrky5mKQ

Sooo... You idea of a proper response to the detailed exegesis I provided that includes a direct translation of the Hebrew to English, and an explanation that over turn the very premise that 'we are all God's children' therefore Jesus dying on the cross is in violation of some supposed rule, is to post a clip of the wrestling move of the same name as the thread title and call all apologetic efforts 'weak ass.'

Yeah.. I can see why you were voted king atheist, your turning out to be quite the challenger and one who makes the resident theist question the very fabric of their beliefs.

[Nihilist Virus]

[robvalue]

No Drich, I was having a little fun with the name of the topic.

I thought you'd have noticed by now I have no interest in conversing with you.