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RE: The backbreaker
March 6, 2016 at 2:47 pm
(March 6, 2016 at 11:18 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (February 9, 2016 at 6:47 pm)Nihilist Virus Wrote: Then in 2 Samuel 12:13-20, David's son is killed by God because of sins committed by David.
I don't think this is the message that is trying to get across. Even if you take the OT literally, which I certainly don't.
Since the child was innocent of personal sins, we know that he/she would have been received into heaven immediately upon death. And in this way, the child was spared a lifetime of being mocked and scorned by the people of Israel who would have known that the child was the illegitimate son of David resulting from his adultery with Bathsheba.
Basically, the child was not punished for what David did, as you seem to think. But rather, God showed mercy to the child by taking it to heaven.
According to the Babylonian Talmud David knocked Bathsheba up when she was six (6) years old.
Muslims believe that babies who are buried alive go to paradise.
People invent all kinds of justifications to excuse their crimes.
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RE: The backbreaker
March 6, 2016 at 2:48 pm
(March 6, 2016 at 2:47 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: (March 6, 2016 at 11:18 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I don't think this is the message that is trying to get across. Even if you take the OT literally, which I certainly don't.
Since the child was innocent of personal sins, we know that he/she would have been received into heaven immediately upon death. And in this way, the child was spared a lifetime of being mocked and scorned by the people of Israel who would have known that the child was the illegitimate son of David resulting from his adultery with Bathsheba.
Basically, the child was not punished for what David did, as you seem to think. But rather, God showed mercy to the child by taking it to heaven.
According to the Babylonian Talmud David knocked Bathsheba up when she was six (6) years old.
Muslims believe that babies who are buried alive go to paradise.
People invent all kinds of justifications to excuse their crimes. Maybe you should post this in the Babylonian Talmud section.
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RE: The backbreaker
March 6, 2016 at 2:54 pm
(March 6, 2016 at 2:48 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: (March 6, 2016 at 2:47 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: According to the Babylonian Talmud David knocked Bathsheba up when she was six (6) years old.
Muslims believe that babies who are buried alive go to paradise.
People invent all kinds of justifications to excuse their crimes. Maybe you should post this in the Babylonian Talmud section.
Don’t let it eat at you.
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RE: The backbreaker
March 6, 2016 at 2:56 pm
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Don't let what eat at me? The Babylonian Talmud section?
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RE: The backbreaker
March 6, 2016 at 3:23 pm
(March 6, 2016 at 11:18 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (February 9, 2016 at 6:47 pm)Nihilist Virus Wrote: Then in 2 Samuel 12:13-20, David's son is killed by God because of sins committed by David.
I don't think this is the message that is trying to get across. Even if you take the OT literally, which I certainly don't.
Since the child was innocent of personal sins, we know that he/she would have been received into heaven immediately upon death. And in this way, the child was spared a lifetime of being mocked and scorned by the people of Israel who would have known that the child was the illegitimate son of David resulting from his adultery with Bathsheba.
Basically, the child was not punished for what David did, as you seem to think. But rather, God showed mercy to the child by taking it to heaven.
Respectfully, Cath, that's horse-hockey about the "lifetime of mockery". Solomon was the second child born of their liaison, and he ascended to the throne.
And whether or not that kid "ascended into heaven", it was still a *baby* who was tortured to death (via lingering disease) in order to punish his father. It clearly states that, A->B.
It's either one of two things: God is real and a psychopath, or else God is imaginary and this stuff about disease being the wrath of a deity is as ignorant as the people who claimed lightning striking someone was the wrath of Thor.
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: The backbreaker
March 6, 2016 at 3:25 pm
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CL is blissfully unaware of both catholic doctrine and the demands of the narrative. Not that anyone or anything can convince her of that....... 
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RE: The backbreaker
March 6, 2016 at 3:27 pm
Boom Rhythm. You destroyed her, just like you masterfully demonstrate all religious doctrine to be foolish.
And that smiley on the end. Cherry on top.
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RE: The backbreaker
March 6, 2016 at 3:29 pm
(March 6, 2016 at 3:23 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: (March 6, 2016 at 11:18 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I don't think this is the message that is trying to get across. Even if you take the OT literally, which I certainly don't.
Since the child was innocent of personal sins, we know that he/she would have been received into heaven immediately upon death. And in this way, the child was spared a lifetime of being mocked and scorned by the people of Israel who would have known that the child was the illegitimate son of David resulting from his adultery with Bathsheba.
Basically, the child was not punished for what David did, as you seem to think. But rather, God showed mercy to the child by taking it to heaven.
Respectfully, Cath, that's horse-hockey about the "lifetime of mockery". Solomon was the second child born of their liaison, and he ascended to the throne.
And whether or not that kid "ascended into heaven", it was still a *baby* who was tortured to death (via lingering disease) in order to punish his father. It clearly states that, A->B.
It's either one of two things: God is real and a psychopath, or else God is imaginary and this stuff about disease being the wrath of a deity is as ignorant as the people who claimed lightning striking someone was the wrath of Thor.
I'm not saying it was right. And I don't believe any of this ever happened. I'm just saying, from my understanding the story goes that God killed the baby out of mercy, not to punish the baby for his father's sin.
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RE: The backbreaker
March 6, 2016 at 3:30 pm
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Come now, Vinny, she's made of tougher stuff...as are most. I can say whatever I want, doctrine can say whatever it wants, "holy scripture" can say whatever it wants. In each case people are impervious in their beliefs.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: The backbreaker
March 6, 2016 at 3:31 pm
(March 3, 2016 at 1:50 am)Godschild Wrote: When you die you will find the truth, don't let that time come while in disbelief.
Why not?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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