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RE: A question about the flood myth, baraminology, and Pangaea
February 22, 2016 at 3:26 pm
(February 22, 2016 at 2:35 pm)Drich Wrote: (February 22, 2016 at 1:39 pm)Mancunian Wrote: I just wonder how many animals survived at an altitude of 29000 feet, the flood waters covered the highest mountain apparently.
I bet Noah was freezing the poor old fellow. All that work creating all that lovely scenery wasted on a temper tantrum.
seriously?!?!?
Maybe you can ask one of you more intelligent peers to explain this to you, if you don't want to take my word for it.. but if this did happen then the water would push the atmosphere up with it. So what you count now 30K feet, is 30,000 feet from is sea level. Now add enough water to encompass the earth to what we now call 30,000 ft, and... it becomes the new SEA LEVEL! so the new 30K feet would be what we call 60K feet. So what would the conditions at the new sea level/30k feet? the same as they are now at our current sea level.
We do not measure altitude from the lowest part of the sea floor. Otherwise we at sea level would be 7 miles up.
I kills me when a poo poo-er doesn't understand the fundamentals he is trying to use to discredit God. This person/you heard this somewhere and just lemming-ed it here with out any thought or vetting. You just assumed it was true because that is what someone else in the group said... Good thing you weren't born when the earth was flat huh???
See what I mean?
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RE: A question about the flood myth, baraminology, and Pangaea
February 22, 2016 at 3:33 pm
(February 22, 2016 at 2:53 pm)FebruaryOfReason Wrote: (February 22, 2016 at 2:35 pm)Drich Wrote: ...
Maybe you can ask one of you more intelligent peers to explain this to you, if you don't want to take my word for it.. but if this did happen then the water would push the atmosphere up with it. So what you count now 30K feet, is 30,000 feet from is sea level. Now add enough water to encompass the earth to what we now call 30,000 ft, and... it becomes the new SEA LEVEL! so the new 30K feet would be what we call 60K feet. So what would the conditions at the new sea level/30k feet? the same as they are now at our current sea level.
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Where did all that water come from?
And where has it gone?
As Genesis 7 tells us It came from within the earth...
Their is a theory of planetary critical mass dictated by core density.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication...tary_Cores
Basically, our planet can only ever be so big based on it's core density. that is why a gas giant like jupiter has 100X more atmosphere than we do. or why a slightly smaller planet like mars has next to no atmosphere and or surface water. Jupiter has a more dense core, and mars does not.
If the water did indeed come from with in the earth as Genesis 6 explains and filled the planet to what we would now consider to be a 30K ft, mark. the outside diameter of the planet would have far exceeded our planets ability to retain this added volume as this new external mass far exceeds our planetary mass index.
So what happened to all the water? The same thing that happened to all the water on mars. solar winds took it away.
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RE: A question about the flood myth, baraminology, and Pangaea
February 22, 2016 at 3:35 pm
(February 22, 2016 at 3:16 pm)RobbyPants Wrote: (February 22, 2016 at 2:53 pm)FebruaryOfReason Wrote: Where did all that water come from?
And where has it gone?
Hydroplate theory? Catastrophic plate tectonics? Lunar bukkake hypothesis (yes, really)?
And you probably thought Baraminology was the weirdest of the flood myth apologetics! :p
I was hoping someone was going to say "It rained".
I'm not electing myself one of Mancunian's more intelligent peers, but I'll see if I can explain it anyway.
According to my primitive queries; (apologies for the decimal system, creatards. I'll try to keep things down to 2 decimal places for you);
The Earth has a radius of 6,371 kilometres. This would give it an initial volume of 1.08321 x 10 ^ 12 cubic km
30000ft is 9.14 kilometres, requiring a new radius of 6380.14. This would give it a new volume of 1.08767 x 10 ^ 12 cubic km.
We have to work out how much land mass is currently sticking up above the water. That's problematic. Lets say that half of the volume in that 9.14 extra kilometres is already there in the form of protruding land mass - generous but not ludicrous.
This means 4669845677.45 cubic kilometres of water appeared from nowhere due to God Magic, then disappeared by the same mechanism, all conveniently leaving no evidence at all.
The more I hear about this God bloke, the more amazing I realise he is!
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RE: A question about the flood myth, baraminology, and Pangaea
February 22, 2016 at 3:40 pm
(February 22, 2016 at 2:35 pm)Drich Wrote: (February 22, 2016 at 1:39 pm)Mancunian Wrote: I just wonder how many animals survived at an altitude of 29000 feet, the flood waters covered the highest mountain apparently.
I bet Noah was freezing the poor old fellow. All that work creating all that lovely scenery wasted on a temper tantrum.
seriously?!?!?
Maybe you can ask one of you more intelligent peers to explain this to you, if you don't want to take my word for it.. but if this did happen then the water would push the atmosphere up with it. So what you count now 30K feet, is 30,000 feet from is sea level. Now add enough water to encompass the earth to what we now call 30,000 ft, and... it becomes the new SEA LEVEL! so the new 30K feet would be what we call 60K feet. So what would the conditions at the new sea level/30k feet? the same as they are now at our current sea level.
We do not measure altitude from the lowest part of the sea floor. Otherwise we at sea level would be 7 miles up.
I kills me when a poo poo-er doesn't understand the fundamentals he is trying to use to discredit God. This person/you heard this somewhere and just lemming-ed it here with out any thought or vetting. You just assumed it was true because that is what someone else in the group said... Good thing you weren't born when the earth was flat huh???
Seriously ?!
Maybe you should ask one of your more intelligent peers (as if there are any among creationists) what would happen to volume and pressure of the atmosphere, if it were pushed out by this alleged 30K foot rise in sea level?
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: A question about the flood myth, baraminology, and Pangaea
February 22, 2016 at 3:41 pm
(This post was last modified: February 22, 2016 at 3:43 pm by FebruaryOfReason.)
(February 22, 2016 at 3:33 pm)Drich Wrote: (February 22, 2016 at 2:53 pm)FebruaryOfReason Wrote: Where did all that water come from?
And where has it gone?
As Genesis 7 tells us It came from within the earth...
Their is a theory of planetary critical mass dictated by core density.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication...tary_Cores
Basically, our planet can only ever be so big based on it's core density. that is why a gas giant like jupiter has 100X more atmosphere than we do. or why a slightly smaller planet like mars has next to no atmosphere and or surface water. Jupiter has a more dense core, and mars does not.
If the water did indeed come from with in the earth as Genesis 6 explains and filled the planet to what we would now consider to be a 30K ft, mark. the outside diameter of the planet would have far exceeded our planets ability to retain this added volume as this new external mass far exceeds our planetary mass index.
So what happened to all the water? The same thing that happened to all the water on mars. solar winds took it away.
You're using the concepts of solar winds and planetary mass indexes to defend the internal inconsistencies in a story about a guy who built a boat big enough to hold two of everything in the world when he was 500 years old?
Seriously?
It disturbs me that people like you can vote and own firearms.
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RE: A question about the flood myth, baraminology, and Pangaea
February 22, 2016 at 3:42 pm
Quote: As Genesis 7 tells us It came from within the earth...
That fucking book may tell YOU something....because you're a fucking lunatic. It tells us nothing.
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RE: A question about the flood myth, baraminology, and Pangaea
February 22, 2016 at 3:45 pm
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(February 22, 2016 at 3:42 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote: As Genesis 7 tells us It came from within the earth...
That fucking book may tell YOU something....because you're a fucking lunatic. It tells us nothing.
Not true.
It tells us who some of the lunatics are, at least. And it can provide a handy remedy for rickety tables, a good firestarter, and reasonable toilet paper in an emergency.
It can even offer a good place to hide your rock hammer when you are spending 19 years tunnelling out of Shawshank....
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RE: A question about the flood myth, baraminology, and Pangaea
February 22, 2016 at 3:46 pm
In a pinch, it also serves admirably for rolling blunts.
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RE: A question about the flood myth, baraminology, and Pangaea
February 22, 2016 at 3:49 pm
(February 22, 2016 at 3:46 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: In a pinch, it also serves admirably for rolling blunts.
Or wiping your ass.
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RE: A question about the flood myth, baraminology, and Pangaea
February 22, 2016 at 3:49 pm
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(February 22, 2016 at 3:45 pm)FebruaryOfReason Wrote: (February 22, 2016 at 3:42 pm)Minimalist Wrote: That fucking book may tell YOU something....because you're a fucking lunatic. It tells us nothing.
Not true.
It tells us who some of the lunatics are, at least. And it can provide a handy remedy for rickety tables, a good firestarter, and reasonable toilet paper in an emergency.
It can even offer a good place to hide your rock hammer when you are spending 19 years tunnelling out of Shawshank.... The people who wrote it had the excuse of being ignorant goat herders living 24-2500 years ago. Dripshit has no such excuse. He's just being dense.
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