Cognitive dissonance

[The Grand Nudger]

Dissonance is the -effect- of the inconsistency.  It's taken to be a negative effect.  I could have use the words hurt, discomfort, tension, turmoil, inner conflict......I chose anxiety as representative of them all. If one holds contradictory positions, without realizing it, there's no dissonance. That's the place that the sort of believers you guys are referring to -live-. They don't see their positions as contradictory or mutually exclusive. They see no need for reconciliation.

They may be wrong, they may not have approached their position in an intellectually rigorous manner, they may be batshit crazy...but what they are -not-..is suffering from cognitive dissonance on account of that.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

What has the anxiety one feels have to do with the dictionary definition, which does indeed state that cognitive dissonance is an inconsistency of positions or opinions?

Citation needed.  What dictionary?

The one offered by the OP?

[Angrboda]

Oxford dictionaries. Figures.

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dictionary.com


cognitive dissonance

Word Origin

noun, Psychology.
1.
anxiety that results from simultaneously holding contradictory or otherwise incompatible attitudes, beliefs, or the like, as when one likes a person but disapproves strongly of one of his or her habits.

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Merriam-Webster

: psychological conflict resulting from incongruous beliefs and attitudes held simultaneously

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The OP appears to be a minority position.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cognitive+dissonance

[God of Mr. Hanky]

Oxford dictionaries.  Figures.  

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dictionary.com


cognitive dissonance

   Word Origin

noun, Psychology.
1.
anxiety that results from simultaneously holding contradictory or otherwise incompatible attitudes, beliefs, or the like, as when one likes a person but disapproves strongly of one of his or her habits.

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Merriam-Webster

:  psychological conflict resulting from incongruous beliefs and attitudes held simultaneously

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The OP appears to be a minority position.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cognitive+dissonance

Perhaps he is, but IMHO he is right.

I see this as one more example of how the only thing consistent about the said dictionary authorities is just how consistently poor their logic is with the calls they make.

"Dissonance" means the opposite of harmony, which is conflict. This does not necessarily imply anybody's emotional state, regardless of what may be expected where cognitive dissonance exists, therefore these two dictionaries should not have made that jump.

Who besides those two dictionaries ever said that "cognitive dissonance" is strictly an intrapersonal state? We have plenty of cognitive dissonance brought to this site by theists with their ideas, and their failure to understand our painstaking explanations is due to cognitive dissonance caused by preconceived ideas which they are unable to see around. That's interpersonal, not intrapersonal! Cognitive dissonance causes some students to fail at certain subjects, and not for failure to try. Here's another example: Not everyone has full color perception, and some may not really know the difference between red, green, and grey. I don't see how there would have any way for this sort of condition to be intrapersonal, therefore it must be interpersonal with those who see all the colors. Do you think the above statements are really false?

[downbeatplumb]

Hot Cosby'd is now part of my repertoire.

A "reverse Cosby" is treating someone who isn't a sex offender, like a sex offender.

[The Grand Nudger]

Except that it's not a jump...Hanky....the term was coined by psychologists to describe the anxiety, the inner conflict and it's outward consequences.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

Except that it's not a jump...Hanky....the term was coined by psychologists to describe the anxiety, the inner conflict and it's outward consequences.

If that is so, then it looks like it was either wrongfully coined relative to what it's components say of it, or its common usage is frequently incorrect.

Then again, the usage may not necessarily apply strictly to the psychological. I noticed there's only one definition quoted from each of these 3 dictionaries, and I suspect at least one of these sources lists alternate definitions.

[The Grand Nudger]

Wrongfully coined?  You mean, as opposed to you, and Rob, because of that one dictionary, getting it ever so slightly incorrect? What would you prefer they called it?

[God of Mr. Hanky]

Wrongfully coined?  You mean, as opposed to you, and Rob, because of that one dictionary, getting it ever so slightly incorrect?  What would you prefer they called it?

I don't really think it was wrongfully coined, but that it is used rightly in contexts outside of discussions on the psychological because its wording leaves it open to that. Or do you think this is a case of my own cognitive dissonance?

Funny how I don't really feal all that anxious

[Angrboda]

Who besides those two dictionaries ever said that "cognitive dissonance" is strictly an intrapersonal state?

American Heritage dictionary, Collins' English dictionary, Wikipedia, Leon Festinger the person who coined the term.

But persons are not always successful in explaining away or in rationalizing inconsistencies to themselves. For one reason or another, attempts to achieve consistency may fail. The inconsistency then simply continues to exist. Under such circumstances -- that is, in the presence of an inconsistency -- there is psychological discomfort.

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The basic hypotheses I wish to state are as follows:
1. The existence of dissonance, being psychologically uncomfortable, will motivate the person to try to reduce the dissonance and achieve consonance.
2. When dissonance is present, in addition to trying to reduce it, the person will actively avoid situations and information which would likely increase the dissonance.

-- A Theory Of Cognitive Dissonance, Leon Festinger

(emphasis mine)

We have plenty of cognitive dissonance brought to this site by theists with their ideas, and their failure to understand our painstaking explanations is due to cognitive dissonance caused by preconceived ideas which they are unable to see around. That's interpersonal, not intrapersonal! Cognitive dissonance causes some students to fail at certain subjects, and not for failure to try. Here's another example: Not everyone has full color perception, and some may not really know the difference between red, green, and grey. I don't see how there would have any way for this sort of condition to be intrapersonal, therefore it must be interpersonal with those who see all the colors. Do you think the above statements are really false?

Wut.