Boin-ney, did I say it right?

[downbeatplumb]

Education is not only about jobs, learning can be an end all on its own.

[Drich]

Did the original poster really say that the work force would be ruined if too many people got a better education?  OMG, oh no, so many college graduates out there, no one will work at WALLMART anymore!  lol.

Only a True Christian ™ would actually complain about educating the populace for free.

Bah, plenty of people will still not bother to get an advanced education even if we give it away.  It takes more than money.  It takes desire and hard work.  Many people will still skip it and go straight into a trade, or settle for simpler jobs.  What a stupid fear, too much education. Bah.

oh, my glob..

You really cant be this dense, unless you are one of those 'trade school/simpler people' pretending to be 'Sm-aught.'

Again if everyone gets educated with a bachelors, then that degree has no value. it becomes what a high school diploma is now.

Tell me you still don't see the problem?

I know you don't so I will spell it out for you again!

It's the COST. Yes it's free to the student, but it will indeed cost the government, ultimately the tax payer a sh*t load of money to send people to school to advance their 'educations' just to put them in a marketable employment position of a current high school graduate.

Which makes the new gold standard a masters or doctorate... So then is boin-ey going to raise taxes again to pay for the new master/high school diploma people will need to get a min wage job?

Not only that who is he going to raise taxes on if those with money decide to keep it and leave?

[Drich]

Way to completely avoid the issue while purporting to speak to the issue.  If you think that a raise in wages will -necessitate- an increase in price or remove profit entirely....then you're describing a situation not at all consistent with reality.

The real question, however, is whether or not this should surprise anyone?

Seattle and NYC have already raised their min wage to 15 per hour to ill effect, and in both those cities the average income is well above the min 15 dollar an hour min. If you move that requirement to a lower income city where the majority are on min wage it could completely destroy the economy.

http://fortune.com/2015/07/30/1223726-15...fast-food/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/201...14bfab3680

[Minimalist]

Education has it's place, but it is not for everyone.

You're living proof of that, drippy.

[The Grand Nudger]

My previous, quoted, response serves equally well as a response to your latest post Drich. If you want to have a discussion you'll have to come to the table.

[Drich]

You don't think that those college degrees will lead to job creation?  You assume that there will always be only so many marbles in the jar and that this number is forever described by a hypothetical snapshot in time of your choosing?

Why would it lead to job creation? More specifically In essence the Sanders plan is just taking away the individual responsibility and burden of paying for a 4 year degree from the student and placing it on everyone else. Which will entice many more to earn their degree. How does flooding a saturated job market with more similarly qualified people create more jobs? those with the capacity to create jobs will do so with or without an over saturation of the job market. so how does over saturation magically equal more jobs?

[The Grand Nudger]

It's not up to me to imagine the ways, your comments require that it won't, period.  It's your baby, you wipe it's shitty ass.  I'm merely looking for some clarification as to whether or not this is your position. Seems to me, in that response above, you may have run afoul of several poor inferences and bad form, regardless.

[Drich]

FL's median income is actually a function of the enormous disparity between the upper crust and the larger teeming masses who do not have gainful employment.  Were it not for wealthy retirees and beach houses...it would be lower.  

I have some experience in aerospace in FL, trouble we ran into..was that chronically under-educated waiters and desk clerks don't provide the necessary labor pool for high tech manufacturing.  We did manage to make ends meet, by sourcing what we needed from the political refugee community, specifically, Laos and other SE Asian countries.  Guess where that money goes, state tax or no?  Now, the way Florida lured business there to begin with, was to cut them sweetheart deals on land and cover some of the labor, too.  Not exactly filling the states coffers no matter how you look at it.  Might explain why florida is ranked at 32 on the list of states recieiving federal assistance, with 1 being the lowest taken.  31% of FL state revenues are, in fact, federal welfare.  Monies which they used to cut those sweetheart deals, of course.  

citation, link proof... Because When I looked things up Boin-ney's home state of vermont while ranked on one spot higher than Florida actually took a greater percentage of money.

And if you go down the chart you will see Fl is indeed ranked one of the lowest (5) in literal federal dollars being sent to the state itself. So why or where does the federal money go? To federaly funded programs and organizations like IDK NASA, JFK Airforce base, McDill, not to mention grants and contract to drill off shore for oil and gas in the gulf. all of that money gets counted as federal dollars being sent to the state.

So then if Fl, is actually producing a product or providing services for the country with it's federal dollars what does #31 Vermont doing with it's money? that's right it gives it away without a possibility of any type of return.
Which again, without the industry paying for these give away programs vermont would have folded like Ca as several times over, because it's top corperations moved to texas.

So again big picture if we take Sander's give away model nation wide, what is stopping industry from leaving the country?

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-le...ed-vs-blue

Seems to me like you're suggesting that business flee to Florida to suck at the government tit while shirking higher taxes they might have to pay elsewhere, like it already does.  That may be a good business decision, but it's clearly not helping the state or it's people.  Quarter of the states children in poverty, and a measly 42k median in spite of an enormous coastline literally choked to death by multi-million dollar houses and their obscenely wealthy occupants.  It aint tricklin down...and being from florida yourself..I'm sure you appreciate how strange it is when there isnt anything tricklin down.

Again no. What I am saying companies will leave the country like they did vermont and Cali for places they can do business without a crazy high tax rate. So then who will be left to pay for allof these programs?

[Drich]

So let me get this straight... 7 pages and not one of you is willing to attempt to explain how Boin-ney's plan is actually going to work?

Aren't you all supporting this guy? How/why are you supporting what you don't understand/Can't explain let alone willing to defend?

I am asking for simple clarity can no one provide it?

[Minimalist]

Aren't you all supporting this guy?

No.  In fact I already early-voted for Clinton.