The main reason I'm an atheist

[Little Rik]

1) What trigger evolution to start in the first place?
2) Where evolution start from (matter, plants, animals, humans?).
3) Where evolution come from (from nowhere, planet Mars, the moon, from God or from God in a latent form and it just wake up?????).
4) Where evolution is heading to?
5) Is evolution individual or not?
6) Can we inherited consciousness from previous generation.
7) Can we lose consciousness or is only a way up?

1) Chemistry, the same thing that runs it, now. The current best hypothesis (there are several competing ideas for this one) is that comets containing the basic chemistry that would become life crashed down into our volcano-warmed oceans on the early earth, and seeded enough material near geothermal vents that the components which make up life were able to coalesce on a substrate (something like shale) into self-replicating molecules. From there, it was off to the races! This answer is unrelated to how evolution actually works, however, as we've explained to you numerous times.

Sorry Rocco but you fail badly.  

From a plant you get a plant, from a donkey you get a donkey and from a human being you get a human being.
Chemistry is something material while consciousness is something abstract.
You can not possibly get something abstract from something material.

2) Wut? If you're asking what the first life forms were like, the answer is bacteria (or more probably, archaea, which are similar). Life didn't develop multicellular forms until about a billion years into its existence. Our first evidence of that is among the cyanobacteria (the ancestors of the chloroplasts found in plants).

This is what physical science discovered so far.
That doesn't mean that we can not go much further and discover more.
I wouldn't take the latest discover for granted so to speak.
It is obvious to the wise person that everything is made of consciousness as consciousness
and matter are two different things therefore consciousness can not possibly sprung up from matter.

3) It came from earth. However, some of the components appear in interstellar ice clouds, formed by the way radiation from stars interacts with the materials contained in the comets. Experiments here on earth have demonstrated that what we see in space via radio telescopes actually happens.

Your or other scientific guessing don't make sense.
Evolution is individual.
Some elements like uranium are ready to release energy while other elements are not.
Releasing energy is one way to say ....... I HAD ENOUGH TO BE IN CHAINS......I WANT TO
GET OUT THIS SITUATION.
So the evolution start with the consciousness that after million of years laying in a latent stage
want to expand.

4) I have no idea what this question means. You could ask those first multicellular cyanobacteria colonies where evolution was heading (if they were capable of understanding the question and communicating an answer), and they wouldn't be able to tell you what a plant was, let alone a chloroplast.

This show that today science doesn't have the slightest clue about evolution.
It is natural that a starting point got to have a finishing point.

Your multicellular cyanobacteria colonies wouldn't have a clue for the simple reason that they are driven by instinct and only in a tiny part by the wish to expand.
It is when the consciousness get bigger and bigger as in human beings that the issue become more and more clear.
As a smart human being come to the understanding that this limited universe can not provide the answer
to this issue then he-she will look elsewhere and he-she will understand the iceberg solution.
One part of the iceberg is above the water the rest is below.
From this understanding the smart person will realize that most of our consciousness is below our knowledge and here is where lie the goal of life.

5) Evolution via Natural Selection is individual, in the sense that your ability to reproduce successfully is what matters. However, the mechanisms of evolution work on the scale of the entire gene pool in which that creature is reproducing. In other words, each individual's relative fitness for reproduction compared to others in that gene pool determines the evolutionary "direction" of that gene pool, over generations.

Correct in saying that it is individual but over confused in all the rest.
The individual will end up there where it can fit best just like a piece of puzzle end up in the correct position in the correct jigsaw.

6) I have no idea what this question is asking. If you're asking if we remember what our grandparents remembered, then not as far as I am aware. If you have peer-reviewed data on this subject, I'd be interested... but I suspect you don't.

I ask this question because some time ago one atheist guy say to me that we inherited everything from previous generation so there wouldn't be the need for us as individual to go through
many reincarnation in order to build up the consciousness that we now have.
I was interested in see whether you agree with that guy or not.

7) Literally no idea what you're asking me, here.

Suppose you play poker.
One day you win and the next day you lose.
Suppose you do a lot of good things and you evolve and suppose you do bad things.
Would you gain or lose or not?

Have a good day.  

[Ignorant]

...From a plant you get a plant, from a donkey you get a donkey and from a human being you get a human being...

I think it might help to consider the adequacy of those claims. Is it possible something more complex is happening there?

[Redbeard The Pink]

Theories can or can not provide evidence and truth.
People all the time have a myriad of theories that doesn't mean that they are true.
Atheists think that there is no God or that there is no evidence for God.
These are unfounded theories.
Science can only see the reality of this physical world so how can science see in the real reality which
is not in this physical world?
Impossible.
That is why you should be careful to see the real truth in scientific theories based of course in this
illusory reality.  

Aaand this post is yet more evidence that you have no idea what a scientific theory is, even though I just gave you the proper definition.


You're still conflating scientific theories and regular ones with the language you're using.


Or you're a cleverly disguised bot. Still not sure which.

[TheRocketSurgeon]

That was a metric shit-ton of utter nonsense. None of your replies, not one, came even close to being a cogent answer to the points I was making.

You are out of your fucking mind, dude, and apparently incapable of understanding what you read. No, you don't understand what evolution is, how it works, or even what your claims mean. Yes of course a human gives birth to a human. WHAT IN THE FUCK MADE YOU THINK THAT ANY SCIENTIST ANYWHERE ON EARTH HAS EVER MADE A CLAIM OTHER THAN THAT!?

How can you even fucking type that kind of thing, and think you're explaining something new to a person trained in science?

You are either the most unstable, batshit insane person I've ever had the displeasure of meeting online, or a troll.

[drfuzzy]

That was a metric shit-ton of utter nonsense. None of your replies, not one, came even close to being a cogent answer to the points I was making.

You are out of your fucking mind, dude, and apparently incapable of understanding what you read. No, you don't understand what evolution is, how it works, or even what your claims mean. Yes of course a human gives birth to a human. WHAT IN THE FUCK MADE YOU THINK THAT ANY SCIENTIST ANYWHERE ON EARTH HAS EVER MADE A CLAIM OTHER THAN THAT!?

How can you even fucking type that kind of thing, and think you're explaining something new to a person trained in science?

You are either the most unstable, batshit insane person I've ever had the displeasure of meeting online, or a troll.

   

[LostLocke]

You are out of your fucking mind, dude, and apparently incapable of understanding what you read. No, you don't understand what evolution is, how it works, or even what your claims mean. Yes of course a human gives birth to a human. WHAT IN THE FUCK MADE YOU THINK THAT ANY SCIENTIST ANYWHERE ON EARTH HAS EVER MADE A CLAIM OTHER THAN THAT!?

What's best about those anti-evolution statements... "Evilution's not true because humans only give birth to humans! Durrhurrhurr."... is that they don't realize if a human gave birth to something not-human, it would actually help their case, and would be a strike against evolution.

[LadyForCamus]

1) Chemistry, the same thing that runs it, now. The current best hypothesis (there are several competing ideas for this one) is that comets containing the basic chemistry that would become life crashed down into our volcano-warmed oceans on the early earth, and seeded enough material near geothermal vents that the components which make up life were able to coalesce on a substrate (something like shale) into self-replicating molecules. From there, it was off to the races! This answer is unrelated to how evolution actually works, however, as we've explained to you numerous times.

Sorry Rocco but you fail badly.  

From a plant you get a plant, from a donkey you get a donkey and from a human being you get a human being.
Chemistry is something material while consciousness is something abstract.
You can not possibly get something abstract from something material.

2) Wut? If you're asking what the first life forms were like, the answer is bacteria (or more probably, archaea, which are similar). Life didn't develop multicellular forms until about a billion years into its existence. Our first evidence of that is among the cyanobacteria (the ancestors of the chloroplasts found in plants).

This is what physical science discovered so far.
That doesn't mean that we can not go much further and discover more.
I wouldn't take the latest discover for granted so to speak.
It is obvious to the wise person that everything is made of consciousness as consciousness
and matter are two different things therefore consciousness can not possibly sprung up from matter.

3) It came from earth. However, some of the components appear in interstellar ice clouds, formed by the way radiation from stars interacts with the materials contained in the comets. Experiments here on earth have demonstrated that what we see in space via radio telescopes actually happens.

Your or other scientific guessing don't make sense.
Evolution is individual.
Some elements like uranium are ready to release energy while other elements are not.
Releasing energy is one way to say ....... I HAD ENOUGH TO BE IN CHAINS......I WANT TO
GET OUT THIS SITUATION.
So the evolution start with the consciousness that after million of years laying in a latent stage
want to expand.

4) I have no idea what this question means. You could ask those first multicellular cyanobacteria colonies where evolution was heading (if they were capable of understanding the question and communicating an answer), and they wouldn't be able to tell you what a plant was, let alone a chloroplast.

This show that today science doesn't have the slightest clue about evolution.
It is natural that a starting point got to have a finishing point.

Your multicellular cyanobacteria colonies wouldn't have a clue for the simple reason that they are driven by instinct and only in a tiny part by the wish to expand.
It is when the consciousness get bigger and bigger as in human beings that the issue become more and more clear.
As a smart human being come to the understanding that this limited universe can not provide the answer
to this issue then he-she will look elsewhere and he-she will understand the iceberg solution.
One part of the iceberg is above the water the rest is below.
From this understanding the smart person will realize that most of our consciousness is below our knowledge and here is where lie the goal of life.

5) Evolution via Natural Selection is individual, in the sense that your ability to reproduce successfully is what matters. However, the mechanisms of evolution work on the scale of the entire gene pool in which that creature is reproducing. In other words, each individual's relative fitness for reproduction compared to others in that gene pool determines the evolutionary "direction" of that gene pool, over generations.

Correct in saying that it is individual but over confused in all the rest.
The individual will end up there where it can fit best just like a piece of puzzle end up in the correct position in the correct jigsaw.

6) I have no idea what this question is asking. If you're asking if we remember what our grandparents remembered, then not as far as I am aware. If you have peer-reviewed data on this subject, I'd be interested... but I suspect you don't.

I ask this question because some time ago one atheist guy say to me that we inherited everything from previous generation so there wouldn't be the need for us as individual to go through
many reincarnation in order to build up the consciousness that we now have.
I was interested in see whether you agree with that guy or not.

7) Literally no idea what you're asking me, here.

Suppose you play poker.
One day you win and the next day you lose.
Suppose you do a lot of good things and you evolve and suppose you do bad things.
Would you gain or lose or not?

Have a good day.  

Major take away point from Ricky's response: Uranium is like a person in an abusive relationship who wishes to break free from their situation.

Makes perfect sense to me!

...just as soon as I drop all this acid...[emoji53]

[LostLocke]

Major take away point from Ricky's response:  Uranium is like a person in an abusive relationship who wishes to break free from their situation.

Makes perfect sense to me!  

...just as soon as I drop all this acid...[emoji53]

With my small body frame, the amount of acid I'd have to take for this guy to make sense would kill me...
...then resuscitate me, and kill me again.

[LadyForCamus]

Major take away point from Ricky's response:  Uranium is like a person in an abusive relationship who wishes to break free from their situation.

Makes perfect sense to me!  

...just as soon as I drop all this acid...[emoji53]

With my small body frame, the amount of acid I'd have to take for this guy to make sense would kill me...
...then resuscitate me, and kill me again.

LOL! Such a scenario would go a long way toward explaining why Lil Rick thinks the way he does in the first place!

http://youtu.be/Q_4bp8bBNVw

[Little Rik]

That was a metric shit-ton of utter nonsense. None of your replies, not one, came even close to being a cogent answer to the points I was making.

You are out of your fucking mind, dude, and apparently incapable of understanding what you read. No, you don't understand what evolution is, how it works, or even what your claims mean. Yes of course a human gives birth to a human. WHAT IN THE FUCK MADE YOU THINK THAT ANY SCIENTIST ANYWHERE ON EARTH HAS EVER MADE A CLAIM OTHER THAN THAT!?

How can you even fucking type that kind of thing, and think you're explaining something new to a person trained in science?

You are either the most unstable, batshit insane person I've ever had the displeasure of meeting online, or a troll.

Rocco.

All your scientific studies are like rat's excrement.  

You have no idea how evolution works.  
Energy and consciousness always go hand in hand.
They are like the two sides of the same sheet.
Where there is energy there is consciousness.
Energy can be in a latent stage.
That doesn't really matter.
Atheism main problem is due the fact that by not been able to see consciousness in matter or any other
element that compose the universe they think that matter and other elements like space, air, light and
water have no consciousness in them and therefore it is impossible to find a relationship between the universe and God.
This demented way or judging prevent the individual progress but that is your problem.  

But let us come to your comment in which you sink in a sea of confusion.
You said............Yes of course a human gives birth to a human. WHAT IN THE FUCK MADE YOU THINK THAT ANY SCIENTIST ANYWHERE ON EARTH HAS EVER MADE A CLAIM OTHER THAN THAT!?...........

You didn't get it son.  
My previous comment was to explain that your chemistry can not possibly start the evolution.
All this related to my first question.
I ask...........1) What trigger evolution to start in the first place?

And you reply............
.......1) Chemistry, the same thing that runs it, now. The current best hypothesis (there are several competing ideas for this one) is that comets containing the basic chemistry that would become life crashed down into our volcano-warmed oceans on the early earth, and seeded enough material near geothermal vents that the components which make up life were able to coalesce on a substrate (something like shale) into self-replicating molecules. From there, it was off to the races! This answer is unrelated to how evolution actually works, however, as we've explained to you numerous times.

Chemistry has absolutely nothing to do with consciousness that is why i said that .......a human gives birth to a human..........in order to say that chemistry can not give birth to consciousness which is the trigger for evolution.  

Capish?