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What came first, the atheist or the theist?
RE: What came first, the atheist or the theist?
I see your point, however it seems to me that whether a default position or not, atheism is still a position. I don't believe in ubjakeidnads isn't a position because no one has defined what ubjakeidnads are to begin with.

The belief itself has to be measurable before the negative equivalent of that belief can be attributed to anything. We are all born atheists, but we live in a period of human history where theism and atheism are defined concepts. We could catalogue the many things that human beings have believed in throughout history, which would be time consuming, but the concepts themselves need to first exist before we can take a position on them. Default position to me means without a position, which isn't atheism at all, it's simply absence of anything. If that were the case it would be disbelief in blank as what it is we do not believe in had not been conceptually developed yet.

I don't know, I think 20 pages on this is a bit ridiculous myself, so i'll concede that atheists came first.
"In our youth, we lacked the maturity, the decency to create gods better than ourselves so that we might have something to aspire to. Instead we are left with a host of deities who were violent, narcissistic, vengeful bullies who reflected our own values. Our gods could have been anything we could imagine, and all we were capable of manifesting were gods who shared the worst of our natures."-Me

"Atheism leaves a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws, to reputation; all of which may be guides to an outward moral virtue, even if religion vanished; but religious superstition dismounts all these and erects an absolute monarchy in the minds of men." – Francis Bacon
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RE: What came first, the atheist or the theist?
My point is you said that "it wasn't so much that the first humans didn't believe in God." But it is true that they didn't believe in God so of course that's relevant because that's all atheism is. It's the only relevance to their actual atheism.
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