Transexuals

[Edwardo Piet]

Even relatively progressive Christians who don't consider homosexuality a sin tend to not grasp transgenderism it seems.

[Neo-Scholastic]

Evidence on this forum Chadwooters is that you are a pseudo-intellectual bigot.

You are a coward that accuses others while hiding behind a pseudonym.

[The Grand Nudger]

-and that's why people should be forced to go to the bathroom of your choosing...or..no?

[robvalue]

I'd still love someone, anyone, to explain how forcing trans people into certain bathrooms would actually work.

Because it's not going to work. Are you going to call the police/security if you see someone who doesn't look man/woman "enough" for you? What do they do then? Pull down their pants? Arrest them?

What if you are the person who gets the finger pointed at? Would you whip it out or go down the police station, or would you protest human right's violations and persecution?

No, it wouldn't fucking work. It's ridiculous.

[The Grand Nudger]

OFC it is, but in their naked desperation to cling to any remaining scraps of social authority..even something as trivial as a potty pass..they cannot -help- but scream and shake their fists, claiming that the world will collapse if they don't get their way.  

Because it will. Their world, their way.  Ironically, this is precisely -why- their world has collapsed, why we no longer defer to their traditional authority.

[robvalue]

I guess in their righteous visions trans people would be shamed into owning up, and "doing the right thing". At which point there would be uproar as a man apparently walks into a womens' bathroom, or vice versa.

In fact, this law would make it easier for a man to go in a women's bathroom, because they could claim they are actually a woman. What are people going to do about it?

The ignorance surrounding this issue is shocking. Even before I understood all of this properly, I'd have had no problem with letting people go to the bathroom they are comfortable with. I've never once in my whole life thought "that guy is clearly a woman" while in a toilet. And even if I did think that, I wouldn't care. I'd expect them to behave respectfully, just as I would with anyone. They go in the booth, do their business, and leave. Can these bigots really not handle this?

Are they pretending they haven't gone unnoticed all this time?

[I_am_not_mafia]

Evidence on this forum Chadwooters is that you are a pseudo-intellectual bigot.

You are a coward that accuses others while hiding behind a pseudonym.

This is a classic ad-hominem. You can't refute what has been argued so you attack the person making the argument instead.

[Aractus]

Well you could start by showing a modicum of respect and not referring to trans people as their birth gender. This is extremely hurtful and harmful in the way of all forms of prejudice. That is because you are treating them as people who you think they are, not what they actually are. By using the wrong pronoun you are not allowing trans people to be themselves.

I know I already made this point, but no matter how you refer to transgender people some people will take offence at it. And that's not unique at all to transgenders, but it's also true for a range of other identities - nationality, beliefs (political, religious, etc), ethnicity, sexuality, cultural identity, other areas of personal identity. For instance, some transpeople will want us to acknowledge they have a disorder, and others want us to acknowledge that they do not have one.

These problems are not at all exclusivity due to "intolerance", in fact intolerance is barely anything when it comes to it IMHO. Ignorance perhaps, ignorance is far more powerful than intolerance. And remember, respect has to go both ways. You can't expect other people to be respectful to transpeople that are not respectful to them, and unfortunately there is a vocal minority who do paint a negative picture of transpeople (just as there's a vocal minority who paint a negative picture of Muslims).

Also, it's taken us more than a century of dedicated psychological research to come to the point where we are now in terms of understanding; it's not at all surprising that the public hasn't come along with the advancements in psychology - after all we're still only a few decades past a whole slew of completely immoral and harmful practises perpetrated by those practising in the psychology disciple. Look up David Reimer for example - he was used a guinea pig from birth to test a psychologist's hypothesis and committed suicide in 2004 aged 38. The psychologist responsible, John Money, received numerous honours and awards of his career. He also had favourable views of Pederasty (mutual love between a man and a boy).


Society's not going to change all at once just because someone has had a great new idea.

[Neo-Scholastic]

Mathilda, I apologize for calling you a coward. People have many reasons for posting anonymously. Sometimes people find doing so gives them a sense of safety to explore unconventional ideas. Some people just like to have fun with an alter-ego. I participate on this forum using my real name. I make myself vulnerable to demonstrate my sincerity. And while I’m not above using hyperbole, when I do I own it.

Where do you think our conversation can go after pronouncing me a bigot? You have also called my posts pseudointellectual. Would it help if I called you anti-intellectual? As it so happens, I have no reason dispute the scientific studies you presented. Those that I have read are both interesting and enlightening. Here it is not the facts that are in dispute; but rather, how to interpret and apply them. They prompt reflections on what the elements of personal identity are, what it means to be human, and the cultural artifacts around those notions. These cannot easily be discussed in colloquial language.

[Edwardo Piet]

I hope this thread is the last of the bigoted fuckface threads.