"Men's rights activists are pig misogynists,men don't have issues!"

[vorlon13]

When John (and the missus) moved away and I saw them for the last time, John had quite a meltdown.  It didn't register for many years with me just how deeply he cared for me (and as it turns out, vice versa) and I know it caught him by surprise too. (and her)   That slide into our emotional connection was so slow and gradual (taking years) neither of us noticed until the day they moved away. To my lasting regret, we didn't have our respective crying jags simultaneously, separated instead, by nearly ten years.  And I was moping over John off and on all along and didn't make the connection till it was rubbed in my face.

I think this has happened to many pairs of men over the years, and they never knew what they had with a special friend till it was gone . . . and sometimes not even then.  'Most' (many? some?) men don't realize they can be emotionally bisexual (or even emotionally homosexual) and physically heterosexual at the same time . . . .

[Faith No More]

Of course,I totally agree. The evidence doesn't matter -it's what we feeeeel. We feeeeel men aren't oppressed therefore men aren't oppressed. To hell with actual facts and figures! Let's all adopt theistic thinking!!

What facts? Like the fact that men predominately hold more positions of power, or that they make more money than women?

Look, this whole argument is too moronic to even justify a response, so you can list all the facts you want. I've got nothing more to say on this stupidity.

[ErGingerbreadMandude]

Of course,I totally agree. The evidence doesn't matter -it's what we feeeeel. We feeeeel men aren't oppressed therefore men aren't oppressed. To hell with actual facts and figures! Let's all adopt theistic thinking!!

What facts? Like the fact that men predominately hold more positions of power, or that they make more money than women?

Look, this whole argument is too moronic to even justify a response, so you can list all the facts you want. I've got nothing more to say on this stupidity.

Like the fact that men predominately hold more positions of Power

Listen bro,in a fair system with equal opportunities when less women hold positions of power, it doesn't mean oppression, it means incompetence. We are actually restructuring a lot of stuff so that the system is unfair towards men and more favored towards women (do some research)and even now less women are in positions of power(Although increasing, slowly..) . What does that tell you? I'll let you run your hamster on that.

or that they make more money than women?

You're actually more ignorant on the issue than I expected. Have you not seen the recent studies that shows that women actually make more than men? I've posted a link to the study in some previous thread. (again, do some research)

Finally, of course the topic is too moronic because we feeeeel otherwise despite evidence, talk about indoctrination

[BrokenQuill92]

When John (and the missus) moved away and I saw them for the last time, John had quite a meltdown.  It didn't register for many years with me just how deeply he cared for me (and as it turns out, vice versa) and I know it caught him by surprise too. (and her)   That slide into our emotional connection was so slow and gradual (taking years) neither of us noticed until the day they moved away. To my lasting regret, we didn't have our respective crying jags simultaneously, separated instead, by nearly ten years.  And I was moping over John off and on all along and didn't make the connection till it was rubbed in my face.

I think this has happened to many pairs of men over the years, and they never knew what they had with a special friend till it was gone . . . and sometimes not even then.  'Most' (many? some?) men don't realize they can be emotionally bisexual (or even emotionally homosexual) and physically heterosexual at the same time . . . .

That's called bi-romantic or/and homoromantic. There's lots of research on romantic and sexual attraction

[robvalue]

That's very interesting.

I seem to be very much at the straight end of the spectrum, but sex isn't particularly important to me in a relationship. So I've offered wondered, could I have something of an "involved relationship" with a man? I've never actively tried to stop myself. But it's never happened, either. Not even close. Not even a vague whiff of it. I've wondered why that is.

I guess I'm just not bi-romantic. My relationship with a man seems to hit a ceiling, which is nowhere near what it can be with a woman, even with no sex involved. That's not to say I can't be very good friends with men, I can. Most of my friends have been men. But I can't seem to be more than that, and not because I'm trying to stop myself.

This is just observations about myself. I'm in no way trying to say it can't happen. Clearly it can, from what you guys say.

[drfuzzy]

That's very interesting.

I seem to be very much at the straight end of the spectrum, but sex isn't particularly important to me in a relationship. So I've offered wondered, could I have something of an "involved relationship" with a man? I've never actively tried to stop myself. But it's never happened, either. Not even close. Not even a vague whiff of it. I've wondered why that is.

I guess I'm just not bi-romantic. My relationship with a man seems to hit a ceiling, which is nowhere near what it can be with a woman, even with no sex involved. That's not to say I can't be very good friends with men, I can. Most of my friends have been men. But I can't seem to be more than that, and not because I'm trying to stop myself.

This is just observations about myself. I'm in no way trying to say it can't happen. Clearly it can, from what you guys say.

It really depends upon where you fall in the Kinsey scale, Rob.  https://becausewearediverse.wordpress.co...sey-scale/
You sound like you would be a 0 or 1 - basically unable to have sexual feelings for another male.  And, as we know, attraction for most of us is more than physical.  I'm a Kinsey 6.  I have men in my life that I love dearly.  I'd risk my life for them, I just don't want to TOUCH them.

[ErGingerbreadMandude]

Only men start wars.
Religion is a man's controlling device.
Men invented nuclear bombs.

My wife overcooked my steak last night!......fucking inexcusable!!!!!!!

Taking this as a mark against men is like saying "the biggest scientific misconceptions in history were caused by men". We are the only game in town, of course we'll be responsible for the mistakes as well as the successes.

[robvalue]

Fuzzy: Yeah, it looks like I would be somewhere between a 0 and a 1. I have absolutely zero interest in touching a male (other than a friendly hug or handshake). I'm not trying to be macho, you guys know that's not my style Just stating it like it is.

And you're right, attraction is way beyond just sexual. I find women attractive in a multitude of ways, down to the tiniest detail. None of that is replicated for men, at all. Women just make me feel differently, and I see them differently. I think about possible shared experiences and fantasies (only some of which are sexual) without even making the effort, they just pop into my head. But this never happens regarding men.

Seems like we have that in common

[ErGingerbreadMandude]

I wouldn't mind banging a dude if I were in prison

Just sayin

[robvalue]

Fair enough.

I would certainly not be interested. No matter how long I was in there, I'd be extremely surprised if I developed any kind of sexual urges towards men, unless I was losing my mind.

I suppose I could imagine the loneliness getting to me and wanting a hug.

When I think of a close relationship with a woman, it's a hug that comes to my mind first. The affection. Just being held, and being cared for. The sexual stuff tends to be secondary.