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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 12:36 pm
(June 1, 2016 at 12:20 pm)Divinity Wrote: (June 1, 2016 at 11:53 am)IATIA Wrote: My parents raised 6 kids and none of them "got away".
I bet they did. You just don't remember it.
Trust me, I would have known and certainly would never have done it again. My parents were never cruel, but they had rules and we followed them to a 'T'.
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 12:41 pm
(June 1, 2016 at 12:34 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Say... if they had hit an arm or a leg? would he have done all those crazy things he'd also do if shot with a tranquilizer?
I don't see why he wouldn't have.
Bottom line is, these people cared about the gorilla way more than any of us, and understand his behaviorism way more than any of us. I'm sure if there was anything else they could have done to preserve his life without furthering endangering the little boy, they would have. It's silly to see people completely removed from the situation who don't know anything about gorillas and who didn't even love that one, saying things like "well, they should have done such and such instead...."
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 12:42 pm
(June 1, 2016 at 12:36 pm)IATIA Wrote: (June 1, 2016 at 12:20 pm)Divinity Wrote: I bet they did. You just don't remember it.
Trust me, I would have known and certainly would never have done it again. My parents were never cruel, but they had rules and we followed them to a 'T'.
Well, genes help. It's not just about parenting.
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 12:42 pm
Fuck. This is 'Murrica. We shoot everything.
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/rancher-...-kills-it/
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 12:43 pm
(June 1, 2016 at 12:35 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Well my rationale is that if the animal isn't actively torturing the kid, then maybe take nonlethal action. We don't know what's going through the gorilla's mind. I don't like the idea of killing something because "maybe", or "what if".
The gorilla can intentionally or unintentionally crush that kid in a second. Somehow I doubt you'd think it was worth the risk if it was your loved one out there....
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 12:46 pm
(June 1, 2016 at 12:43 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (June 1, 2016 at 12:35 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Well my rationale is that if the animal isn't actively torturing the kid, then maybe take nonlethal action. We don't know what's going through the gorilla's mind. I don't like the idea of killing something because "maybe", or "what if".
The gorilla can intentionally or unintentionally crush that kid in a second. Somehow I doubt you'd think it was worth the risk if it was your loved one out there....
I'd do a lot of things that would be considered wrong if someone threatened a loved one. That's why they refer to that as "too close to the situation". That doesn't really effect right or wrong.
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 12:47 pm
(June 1, 2016 at 12:35 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Well my rationale is that if the animal isn't actively torturing the kid, then maybe take nonlethal action. We don't know what's going through the gorilla's mind. I don't like the idea of killing something because "maybe", or "what if".
Like what? We already went over the tranquilizer argument.
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 12:52 pm
I'd pay to see a perfectly behaved four year old. One that's perfectly behaved for more than just an hour, I mean perfectly behaved until they're 7 or 8. I mean my kids followed my rules to the letter too, but not when they were four.
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 12:52 pm
(June 1, 2016 at 12:46 pm)Chad32 Wrote: (June 1, 2016 at 12:43 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: The gorilla can intentionally or unintentionally crush that kid in a second. Somehow I doubt you'd think it was worth the risk if it was your loved one out there....
I'd do a lot of things that would be considered wrong if someone threatened a loved one. That's why they refer to that as "too close to the situation". That doesn't really effect right or wrong.
And yet... it's easy to stand from a distance and proclaim your idea of what's right and wrong for someone else's loved one when the potentially horrific consequences would be to someone else's life instead of your own.
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 12:53 pm
To be clear, I agree that shooting the gorilla was something the zoo keepers needed to do, given the situation. I just find it alarming the number of people defending how that situation happened in the first place.
So apparently, that enclosure has existed as it is for almost 40 years without a single incident. No one else has fallen or even almost fallen in. The enclosure is not the problem. Other eyewitnesses say the kid was hollering that he wanted to go in with the gorillas, and mom was yelling at him, but turned her back on him to strap her other baby into a stroller. 2 older kids were there as well.
So apparently police are still looking into charging the mom. This is a fact, not a rumor. They may decide not to, but I will be interested to see their findings and their decision.
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