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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 1:34 pm
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(June 1, 2016 at 12:56 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: The kid sounds like one of those adhd kids who are constantly running off, ignoring directions, and getting into everything.
In other words - kids...
(June 1, 2016 at 12:56 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I've been around kids like that and they are just awful.
Hmm... You're going to be a fun mom. 
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 1:35 pm
(June 1, 2016 at 1:33 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I agree completely. I hate the attitude that every time an accident of some sort happens, we immediately blame the establishment or whatever for not being "safe enough". People need to start learning how to take personal responsibility, and also understanding that sometimes accidents do happen. Immediately looking to put blame on someone every time something bad happens can be silly.
It was a four year old not a young jock showing off. We child proof our homes, so it is not unreasonable for someone to child proof the access to the gorilla pit.
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 1:37 pm
Quote:I agree completely. I hate the attitude that every time an accident of some sort happens, we immediately blame the establishment or whatever for not being "safe enough".
Some of that comes from lawyers looking for "deep-pockets" to sue, C/L. They get a percentage, you know.
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 1:38 pm
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(June 1, 2016 at 1:35 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (June 1, 2016 at 1:33 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I agree completely. I hate the attitude that every time an accident of some sort happens, we immediately blame the establishment or whatever for not being "safe enough". People need to start learning how to take personal responsibility, and also understanding that sometimes accidents do happen. Immediately looking to put blame on someone every time something bad happens can be silly.
It was a four year old not a young jock showing off. We child proof our homes, so it is not unreasonable for someone to child proof the access to the gorilla pit.
That's because it's our home though. (And I would argue that even then, no matter how much we child proof, there are always going to be the type of hyperactive kids who can easily find trouble in their own homes if they want to.)
We can't expect the entire world to child proof completely. Not that it's even possible. Children need to be supervised for a reason.
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 1:44 pm
(June 1, 2016 at 1:38 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (June 1, 2016 at 1:35 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: It was a four year old not a young jock showing off. We child proof our homes, so it is not unreasonable for someone to child proof the access to the gorilla pit.
That's because it's our home though. (And I would argue that even then, no matter how much we child proof, there are always going to be the type of hyperactive kids who can easily find trouble in their own homes if they want to.)
We can't expect the entire world to child proof completely. Not that it's even possible. Children need to be supervised for a reason.
It's not a case of expecting the world to be child proof completely. It's a gorilla pit in a zoo. I totally expect zoos to be child proof. I expect all the wild animal enclosures to be practically impossible for a child to enter or fall into by accident.
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 1:50 pm
(June 1, 2016 at 1:44 pm)paulpablo Wrote: (June 1, 2016 at 1:38 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: That's because it's our home though. (And I would argue that even then, no matter how much we child proof, there are always going to be the type of hyperactive kids who can easily find trouble in their own homes if they want to.)
We can't expect the entire world to child proof completely. Not that it's even possible. Children need to be supervised for a reason.
It's not a case of expecting the world to be child proof completely. It's a gorilla pit in a zoo. I totally expect zoos to be child proof. I expect all the wild animal enclosures to be practically impossible for a child to enter or fall into by accident.
But that's the thing though. Any time we are out someplace and a kid gets into something and get's into trouble, we're going to turn around and blame that establishment for not being "safer." Whether it's a gorilla pit or whatever else. It is extremely rare for this sort of thing to happen. It's not like it's some sort of epidemic or something. But freak accidents do happen and always will.
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 1:50 pm
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There are 4 barriers at this gorilla enclosure. A railed fence, bushes, a second low fence (which he apparently did crawl over), and a 10 foot drop.
These kinds of enclosures with low barriers are becoming more common, because it is better for the animals. There are warning signs all around the zoo about keeping children close and under supervision.
I knew a toddler that could climb up a chained link fence (he did it in his moms backyard and got out once, he fell on the other side and cried loudly, but was not hurt). You just CANNOT account for everything. People need to take some responsibility themselves, as well. If you are at an enclosure that has low wall and warnings all around, maybe don't chose that moment to fiddle with the stroller while leaving your toddler unattended? If your kid is hollering that he's going into the enclosure to swim with the Gorillas, maybe don't chose that moment to ignore him? As a parent, my kid got away and ALMOST rode her tricycle into the street when she was 3. I was reading a book instead of watching her. I had not given her clear instructions to stay away from that side of the parking area she was riding in. I panicked and screamed and ran after her. This caused her to panic and crash her trike, and she broke one of her front teeth. Know who's fault that was that she got away and then got hurt? MINE! It wasn't just "some accident", or oh, kids just sometimes get away. No. If little ones, and all little ones can get into trouble quick, are in a situation that is dangerous, you as a parent are responsible for taking steps to keep them safe.
Or maybe the zoo should just offer bubble wrap to all the patrons as they enter, lol. It might do a few of them some good. :p
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 1:50 pm
(June 1, 2016 at 1:37 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:I agree completely. I hate the attitude that every time an accident of some sort happens, we immediately blame the establishment or whatever for not being "safe enough".
Some of that comes from lawyers looking for "deep-pockets" to sue, C/L. They get a percentage, you know.
And they get paid whether they win or lose.
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 1:59 pm
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I finally got around to watching the video. The gorilla does not seem to intend any harm to the child. It seems to be treating him like a 'child' gorilla. I think if it intended harm, the harm would have already been in progress and obvious.
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 2:08 pm
(June 1, 2016 at 1:59 pm)IATIA Wrote: I finally got around to watching the video. The gorilla does not seem to intend any harm to the child. It seems to be treating him like a 'child' gorilla. I think if it intended harm, the harm would have already been in progress and obvious.
But you're not an expert on gorillas or their behavior. What I have seen said by people who understand this stuff is that dragging objects around is a way for gorillas to establish dominance in response to threat.
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