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Gorilla killed
RE: Gorilla killed
IATIA Wrote:
Catholic_Lady Wrote:So basically you're saying believing in God makes someone a douche.

No, believing in god makes one delusional, inattentiveness with a three year old child around caged animals, makes her a douche.

Any bets she was texting?
If she had another child, she could easily have had to take her eyes off one to deal with the other. I understand there was a hole the child got through. There shouldn't have been a hole. If zoos depended on parents to keep kids out of enclosures, kids getting into them would be a weekly occurrence.
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(June 1, 2016 at 3:37 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(June 1, 2016 at 3:35 pm)IATIA Wrote: She would be considered more of a douche for thanking god that did nothing but watch had she not thanked the real people that actually did the saving.

More of a douche? So she's still a douche for thanking God AND the people?

(my bold)

No, inattentiveness with a three year old child around caged animals, makes her a douche.

Not thanking the real people that actually did the saving would have made her more of a douche.
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(June 1, 2016 at 3:48 pm)Alex K Wrote: And none of all those witnesses cared to keep a bloody four year old from going into the Gorilla cage? Nice.

Actually, one lady said she saw him trying to get in and tried to grab him, but could not reach him through the crowd before he fell.

But yeah, lets blame the crowd who heard him yell (in a country where interfering with other peoples parenting is a huge social no no!), and not the mom. 'Cause reasons.
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(June 1, 2016 at 3:19 pm)Drich Wrote: I say put people and animals on level ground with each other and maybe 'pin in' the animals with those invisible fence collars they put on dogs and let nature/evolution weed some of you morons out. Then maybe make yearly "zoo" visits all mandatory for the first 18 years of every kids life, with varying degrees of freedom for the children until the last year the 'child' is made to go through on his own.

If the kid can navigate the gauntlet of animals with out being mauled or outright eaten then he/she becomes a full voting citizen, with all the rights and privileges there of. the rest be made to go and build the south ward facing side of the Mexico/Us wall.

That's basic evolution right? survival of the fittest?

If nothing else it will eliminate reality Tv, 15 dollar an hour hamburger flipper jobs, and any 'which bathroom' to use confusion one may have.

Kinda like how the Spartans did things.

Hmmm, go back to your cage Drippy. You don't even know what you are talking about.
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I guess I missed the memo. When did responsibility become someone else's problem?
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson

God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers

Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders

Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy
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(June 1, 2016 at 3:19 pm)Drich Wrote: [...]Kinda like how the Spartans did things.

Yeah... Do you ever wonder why we don't see many Spartans running around?
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(June 1, 2016 at 3:51 pm)Aroura Wrote:
(June 1, 2016 at 3:48 pm)Alex K Wrote: And none of all those witnesses cared to keep a bloody four year old from going into the Gorilla cage? Nice.

Actually, one lady said she saw him trying to get in and tried to grab him, but could not reach him through the crowd before he fell.

But yeah, lets blame the crowd who heard him yell (in a country where interfering with other peoples parenting is a huge social no no!), and not the mom. 'Cause reasons.

You may have touched upon a problem of said society there.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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It seems the most important thing we can do in this matter is assign blame.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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(June 1, 2016 at 2:40 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(June 1, 2016 at 2:34 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Did she give a shout-out to the team that saved her child's life? If so, not a douche.

She most certainly did, both times.

“We are so thankful to the Lord that our child is safe. He is home and doing just fine. We extend our heartfelt thanks for the quick action by the Cincinnati Zoo staff. We know that this was a very difficult decision for them, and that they are grieving the loss of their gorilla.”

"We continue to praise God for His grace and mercy, and to be thankful to the Cincinnati Zoo for their actions taken to protect our child. Some have offered money to the family, which we do not want and will not accept," the family said. "If anyone wishes to make a gift, we recommend a donation to the Cincinnati Zoo in Harambe's name."
That was the second version, she deleted the first version (below) after she caught a bunch of shit for not mentioning the zoo or the poor animal.

And yes, C_L, giving praise to a deity which could have prevented the whole situation with no effort if it existed makes one a douche in my eyes. It doesn't make a person evil or an idiot, but if people did all the things that rectified your situation, and you can only bring yourself to mention those people or the animal that lost its life to rectify your situation after you catch shit for not doing so, I think you're douchy.

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To me, it's no difference to praising Jesus for allowing you to get through the heart defect he gave you and forgetting to mention the cardiac surgeon who spent 10 years studying and practicing to be the best, the team of professionals that cared for you in the hospital, or the paramedics who pulled you out of a car wreck that was caused by you passing out in traffic. All of these people did the things and had the expertise that kept you alive, buy you praised the thing you believe gave you the defect in the first place.
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(June 1, 2016 at 3:49 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:
IATIA Wrote:No, believing in god makes one delusional, inattentiveness with a three year old child around caged animals, makes her a douche.

Any bets she was texting?
If she had another child, she could easily have had to take her eyes off one to deal with the other. I understand there was a hole the child got through. There shouldn't have been a hole. If zoos depended on parents to keep kids out of enclosures, kids getting into them would be a weekly occurrence.

It wasn't a hole. The fence was made up of 4 or so horizontal bars. The kid crawled in between the bars after getting through the bushes. 

There needs to be a balance, of course. The enclosure was deemed safe by the safety standards used for zoos, and had been there for decades with no problem. There were warning signs. At some point it does become the parent's responsibility. 

Sounds like a really bratty kid, and a mom who had a moment of bad judgement. It wasn't the zoo's fault, but I don't think we should be condemning the mother either. As I said, in the perfect world, she wouldn't have gotten distracted for just long enough for this to happen. But people aren't perfect and accidents happen. I think watching her kid almost get squished by a gorilla for 10 minutes was punishment enough. I imagine she learned her lesson, and I will not be joining in the wagon of shaming her.
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