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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 4:31 pm
(June 1, 2016 at 4:27 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: (June 1, 2016 at 4:22 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Oh, I see. She didn't word it properly the first time she said anything. Yeah, total douche.
Yup, not mentioning the animal that got shot in the head so that your son could live makes a person a bit of a douche, even without the God praising.
But the praising God (along with the people) still does? That's what it sounded like you were saying.
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 4:39 pm
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Sorry I keep harping on this, it just seems like you and IATI were back tracking some when I pointed it out and it makes me looks stupid for bringing it up at all.
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 4:44 pm
(June 1, 2016 at 4:31 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (June 1, 2016 at 4:27 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Yup, not mentioning the animal that got shot in the head so that your son could live makes a person a bit of a douche, even without the God praising.
But the praising God (along with the people) still does? That's what it sounded like you were saying. What? My original statement was in response to her original statement, which she had at the time deleted because people were pointing out to her that an animal was killed to save her child.
She praised God for saving her child. I understand that she feels that God was actively involved in preserving her child. I understand your perspective.
I am also allowed my perspective. There is no such thing as this silly idea you call God. From that perspective, I see that thanking an omnipresent deity which you believe became intimately involved in a situation only after bad shit happens, and which situation could have been prevented anyways without any trouble for an omnipotent being is silly at best. Not even mentioning the animal that lost its life or the deadly animal response team that acted quickly and professionally or the paramedics and doctors that treated your toddler's concussion and injuries---you know, actually doing the things you are giving God credit for---is a bit douchy in my book.
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 4:45 pm
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(June 1, 2016 at 4:31 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: But the praising God (along with the people) still does? That's what it sounded like you were saying.
Yes, it does. God can hear you anywhere - even in your thoughts. There is no reason to publicly thank him, other than to aggrandize oneself, by suggesting, that the creator of the Universe is terribly preoccupied with one's well-being and to show off one's piety.
It's also a cheap gesture. Rappers credit god with the success of their singles. Enough said...
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 4:48 pm
(June 1, 2016 at 4:31 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: But the praising God (along with the people) still does? That's what it sounded like you were saying.
You know I always found that kind of preposterous. There are thousands dying in freak accidents, thousands dying of other avoidable causes, but god was there to save this one precious child. Precious to these persons, insignificant to anyone else. I mean, how special can you feel in your own existence?
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 4:49 pm
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(June 1, 2016 at 4:44 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: (June 1, 2016 at 4:31 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: But the praising God (along with the people) still does? That's what it sounded like you were saying. What? My original statement was in response to her original statement, which she had at the time deleted because people were pointing out to her that an animal was killed to save her child.
She praised God for saving her child. I understand that she feels that God was actively involved in preserving her child. I understand your perspective.
I am also allowed my perspective. There is no such thing as this silly idea you call God. From that perspective, I see that thanking an omnipresent deity which you believe became intimately involved in a situation only after bad shit happens, and which situation could have been prevented anyways without any trouble for an omnipotent being is silly at best. Not even mentioning the animal that lost its life or the deadly animal response team that acted quickly and professionally or the paramedics and doctors that treated your toddler's concussion and injuries---you know, actually doing the things you are giving God credit for---is a bit douchy in my book.
Was she a douche for praising God along with the people who saved her son?
^That is the part of what you said that I was questioning/objecting to.
I never said anything about mentioning the animal. I agree not mentioning the animal at all was insensitive, and I'm glad she fixed her response. But I don't agree that saying "thank you God and thank you to all the people who saved my son" makes someone a douche, and I don't understand why you think it does, which is why I asked you. She did mention the people who helped.
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 4:59 pm
A little bit, yes.
Her God put her child in harm's way. And without the zookeepers, her God was about to watch a baby die.
What is she thanking her God for? What did her God actually do?
It's funny that he doesn't get credit for all the bad shit that goes down, but as soon as humans get involved and actually perform tasks, "praise him!" For what?
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 4:59 pm
(June 1, 2016 at 4:48 pm)abaris Wrote: (June 1, 2016 at 4:31 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: But the praising God (along with the people) still does? That's what it sounded like you were saying.
You know I always found that kind of preposterous. There are thousands dying in freak accidents, thousands dying of other avoidable causes, but god was there to save this one precious child. Precious to these persons, insignificant to anyone else. I mean, how special can you feel in your own existence?
Yes, there are a lot of times that people die tragically, but there are also a lot of times that people survive very near death experiences. I don't think being grateful to God for those times when it involves someone you love makes someone a douche. Maybe stupid, in your eyes, since you believe differently. But a douche?
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 5:01 pm
(June 1, 2016 at 4:59 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: A little bit, yes.
Her God put her child in harm's way. And without the zookeepers, her God was about to watch a baby die.
What is she thanking her God for? What did her God actually do?
It's funny that he doesn't get credit for all the bad shit that goes down, but as soon as humans get involved and actually perform tasks, "praise him!" For what?
Ok then, that's what I gathered the first time - that you think she is a douche for having thanked God.
So like I said, you must think I'm a little bit of a douche too because I too would have given thanks to God if my son had survived some sort of near death experience like that.
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 5:05 pm
The point, CL, is obvious ineffectiveness of thanking a god that clearly does absolutely nothing during truly tragic events worldwide, yet this same god decides on a whim that this one boy deserves saving over the lives of thousands and millions of others? That is not a god. That is just simple minded douches thanking a being they created and wished was real, merely keeping him alive through utter reckless apologetic arguments when confronted with the reality that god does not exist.
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