Hell and God cant Co-exist.

[energizer bunny]

I went to a Catholic grade school where we most certainly learned about evolution and the big bang theory in science class. In fact, it was a Catholic priest who first introduced the big bang theory. I received far superior education in science and everything else in that school than I did in the public high school I went to afterwards.

A belief in God is not intrinsically against science. It only is that way if people choose to make it that way.

I was Catholic before becoming a nonbeliever. And having been to Catholic school i can relate to your experience.

[Neo-Scholastic]

If you can't accept that scriptures of the faithful expressly condone science then that's your own willful bias and ignorance.

Better get used to it. Very few atheists on AF have anything remotely resembling an open mind.

[Cyberman]

Many of us have an open mind. What we don't have is a gaping open mind.

[ApeNotKillApe]

If you can't accept that scriptures of the faithful expressly condone science then that's your own willful bias and ignorance.

Better get used to it. Very few atheists on AF have anything remotely resembling an open mind.

I assume your definition of an open minded person is someone who doesn't point out how full of shit you are.

[Socratic Meth Head]

If you can't accept that scriptures of the faithful expressly condone science then that's your own willful bias and ignorance.

Better get used to it. Very few atheists on AF have anything remotely resembling an open mind.

If you think we are closed minded because we don't find your arguments convincing, you are welcome to get over it, or make convincing arguments.

[Pat Mustard]

No they don't the study of scientific disciplines had steadily decreased the amount of things that god was supposed to control. Jupiter/thor/taranis etc. were all supposed to control thunder and lightning; now we know they are both products of a single natural process. Yhwh was supposed to contol gravity, nade the animals from dust separste from each other and have enough power to drown the whole world. For the first we know it is a bending of spacetime by sufficiently massive bodies, for the second, we know all current species evolved by genetics, epigenetics and natural selection and we are getting closer to a near definitive answer on the process of abiogenesis. And for the flood we know that was impossible. There two good examples of religion flatly conteadicting science.


Problem is, pops, you asserting a truth position doesn't make it true, just as if I said I were 6'6" (I'm not, about5'5"). So to have us accept the truth position of your assertion, you'll have to show us sufficient evidence, which is, emphatically, not you saying "religion doesn't contradict science, therefore god", a statement I have proven false.

Never said therefore GOD, and you have proven nothing whatsoever.

You speak of Thor and yah, neither of which have much to do with the topic at hand.

If you can't accept that scriptures of the faithful expressly condone science then that's your own willful bias and ignorance.

By the way; the laws that bind nature, regardless of how well we can describe them, still came from a source we cannot test in any scientific manner, and chance can't be proven in any way.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

The simple fact is that as scientific knowledge has grown theists room for manoeuvre over what their favoured god(s) can do has steadily lessened until the current position, where almost nothing remains.

Edit: Ah crap just after posting I realised that Catholic Lady had nothing to do with the post so I deleted a paragraph directed at her, mainly because it was based on my mistaken aswumption.

@Pops are you saying that despite what the bible says and all major christian theologians god and yhwh aren't one and the same? That Saul of Tarsus invented a new god out of thin air?

[Pat Mustard]

If you can't accept that scriptures of the faithful expressly condone science then that's your own willful bias and ignorance.

Better get used to it. Very few atheists on AF have anything remotely resembling an open mind.

Thought you had me on ignore Wooters? Well that's what you told me.

So, now I can add liar to your list of attributes.

@Pops, here is a non-exhaustive list of scientific disciplines you have to totally reject to accept the bible: Physics, chemistry, biology, geology, astronomy. The bible explicitly contradicts central tenets of all of these discplines. Therefore the bible by its own admission is incompatible with science.

[Homeless Nutter]

[...]If you can't accept that scriptures of the faithful expressly condone science then that's your own willful bias and ignorance.[...]

[...]A belief in God is not intrinsically against science. It only is that way if people choose to make it that way.

Nonsense. If there was a god - science would be impossible. If you allowed for existence of a personal, omnipotent, omnipresent being, able to break laws of physics at a whim and allegedly displaying human-like emotions and "will" - how could you EVER scientifically establish ANYTHING?

Is the speed of light the fastest speed possible in the universe? Of course not - omnipotent god can speed it up, slow it down, create photons mid-flight, or stop them at will. Can energy be destroyed? Sure - by god. So Einstein can go f*ck himself. Does Pi equal 3.14159265359...? Who knows - if god wills it to be so - then that's what it will seem. But if god wants it to be different at any moment - he can change it and none of us need to be even aware. Are any of our measurements accurate? Can we rely on them, when - say - building space-ships? Of course not. God can manipulate Earth's gravity, time, curvature of space or anything else at any time.

Even if we tested all the relevant constants during every experiment, ever - that would still be no guarantee, that god wasn't simply making our scientific equipment show incorrect data. Why would he do that? Who are you to question god's motivations and his plans?... You say - he's benevolent. Well - even if that was true, he could be misinforming us for the greater good - or whatever. Either way - science would be pointless and largely useless, just like it is viewed in most theocratic countries.

That's why belief in a human-like, omnipotent god, who freely interacts with the universe is irrational. And if a god had to adhere to laws and physics and such - well then that would be no god at all, but at best - a "middle-man", some sort of a lesser deity, or a very advanced alien, since whoever, or whatever would be dictating the limitations of his power - that would be the real god. Also - miracles would be impossible.

So, yeah - every theistic religion is at its very core anti-scientific. It's a good thing, that they're all nonsense, which is why science works.

[popsthebuilder]

Better get used to it. Very few atheists on AF have anything remotely resembling an open mind.

Thought you had me on ignore Wooters? Well that's what you told me.

So, now I can add liar to your list of attributes.

@Pops, here is a non-exhaustive list of scientific disciplines you have to totally reject to accept the bible: Physics, chemistry, biology, geology, astronomy. The bible explicitly contradicts central tenets of all of these discplines. Therefore the bible by its own admission is incompatible with science.

That's odd. I accept all of those I some extent, yet also accept the bible to some extent. Whooda thunk it?!

[FACE WITH STUCK-OUT TONGUE AND WINKING EYE]

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

[Redbeard The Pink]

Thought you had me on ignore Wooters? Well that's what you told me.

So, now I can add liar to your list of attributes.

@Pops, here is a non-exhaustive list of scientific disciplines you have to totally reject to accept the bible: Physics, chemistry, biology, geology, astronomy. The bible explicitly contradicts central tenets of all of these discplines. Therefore the bible by its own admission is incompatible with science.

That's odd. I accept all of those I some extent, yet also accept the bible to some extent. Whooda thunk it?!

[FACE WITH STUCK-OUT TONGUE AND WINKING EYE]

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

OK, so you hold mutually contradictory beliefs. Bully for you. What are you trying to prove, exactly? That you're good at mental gymnastics?