Can I just say, and I'm just being honest...

[Thumpalumpacus]

I quickly realized that Drich was basically the troll locked in the AF dungeons and took his comments accordingly. I'm sure he's said perfectly horrible things, as long as he's been posting. I still don't know what drama EP stirred up.

Interesting way of putting it... if he was, all you'd hear was a constant knocking from down there But seriously though I was just asking who Thump wanted to go nuclear on. Cos I basically have no idea what either of them have done, or to whom.

Drich and EP. Drich, for reviolating a rape victim with his blame-game, and EP for doxing a staff member.

And both of them for chasing off much better members. The forum lost a lot tonight, make no mistake. The forum lost a lot tonight.

Having moderated a freethought forum myself, I understand the fine balance between freedom of expression and permissive-to-a-fault. What we've seen tonight is three members bowing out at the behest of two who have badgered them along.

[robvalue]

I make it no secret that I want EP as far away from this place as humanly possible. I have done for months. I see he's pretended to leave again. If he had a shred of decency he'd actually do it, but sadly I don't think he actually has any.

If he really thinks he can offer an explanation to me that accounts for what I know about him (not suspect, know) I'd love to hear it. Because it would have to be the most stellar explanation in the history of the world to excuse his behaviour.

It's a pity cos I was just getting used to his new behaviour which seemed to have been pretty consistently positive for months and months... I was gradually starting to rebuild a trust of sorts in him. But it was always a possibility to me that it was all an act... but nonetheless practically at least he was getting better to be around, and that alone was enough. So I don't know what to think now.

In my opinion, it's an act. And my opinion is pretty synonymous with fact, given how much I know. I can't tell you what I know or how I know it, all I can say is that if you trust my word, then you should never trust him. Ever. I wouldn't say this unless I was absolutely certain. I'm astounded that he thinks he could explain it away to me. I guess he has no idea how much I know.

[emjay]

It's a pity cos I was just getting used to his new behaviour which seemed to have been pretty consistently positive for months and months... I was gradually starting to rebuild a trust of sorts in him. But it was always a possibility to me that it was all an act... but nonetheless practically at least he was getting better to be around, and that alone was enough. So I don't know what to think now.

In my opinion, it's an act. And my opinion is pretty synonymous with fact, given how much I know. I can't tell you what I know or how I know it, all I can say is that if you trust my word, then you should never trust him. Ever. I wouldn't say this unless I was absolutely certain. I'm astounded that he thinks he could explain it away to me. I guess he has no idea how much I know.

I'm not asking to know and I do trust you But there's never been trust between me and EP, right from the get-go. He's too unpredictable and any interaction with him is like rolling a dice... every single time. He's a complete enigma to me. Whatever co-existance we've had to this point, peaceful or more often otherwise, has not been based on trust but other things. So you don't need to tell me I can't trust him cos I know that already. I just nonetheless have always had a soft spot for him, from the safety of afar mainly, but nothing that could ever have turned into a real, trusting relationship. Just the guilt of having treated him badly when I first met him - saying that I could never trust him among other things - and the constant doubt ever since then of whether I was right to make that call... ie whether he was just 'misunderstood' by me and others. That doubt is still here even with what you say, and always will be I think, but while it is here there can never be trust, even more than there couldn't be before. As I said, like rolling a dice... everything could be either way with him and no way of ever knowing.

[robvalue]

That's cool, of course I don't expect anyone to just do what I say anyway. I'm just voicing my advice.

If your relationship isn't based on trust, and if he turned you on it wouldn't sting you, then by all means go for it. I'm never going to imply that anyone who associates with him is betraying me, or anything stupid like that. I'm only giving my honest opinion because I'm very concerned about the very real harm he can do. Very early on I saw a large number of indicators which made me immediately very suspicious about him. I began to feel almost sure what was going on. Since then I have become sure.

So I appreciate you do trust me, thank you By all means, enjoy his company, if that's how he makes you feel!

[Expired]

I think it's extremely hard to judge anybody's character in a place like this, I would have to interact with someone in real life to form an accurate opinion of them.

[emjay]

That's cool, of course I don't expect anyone to just do what I say anyway. I'm just voicing my advice.

If your relationship isn't based on trust, and if he turned you on it wouldn't sting you, then by all means go for it. I'm never going to imply that anyone who associates with him is betraying me, or anything stupid like that. I'm only giving my honest opinion because I'm very concerned about the very real harm he can do. Very early on I saw a large number of indicators which made me immediately very suspicious about him. I began to feel almost sure what was going on. Since then I have become sure.

So I appreciate you do trust me, thank you By all means, enjoy his company, if that's how he makes you feel!

It used to sting me... until I realised it wasn't worth investing in and detached from it. It goes that way with all relationships with trust issues... there comes a point where it's 'this far and no further'... a point where you just walk away. So since then my' relationship' with him has been much more aloof and not from the same sort of emotionally invested perspective... but rather a more neutral, objective perspective. As for your last sentence, I wouldn't put it quite like that

[Thumpalumpacus]

It's a pity cos I was just getting used to his new behaviour which seemed to have been pretty consistently positive for months and months... I was gradually starting to rebuild a trust of sorts in him. But it was always a possibility to me that it was all an act... but nonetheless practically at least he was getting better to be around, and that alone was enough. So I don't know what to think now.

In my opinion, it's an act. And my opinion is pretty synonymous with fact, given how much I know. I can't tell you what I know or how I know it, all I can say is that if you trust my word, then you should never trust him. Ever. I wouldn't say this unless I was absolutely certain. I'm astounded that he thinks he could explain it away to me. I guess he has no idea how much I know.

It was transparent the whole time. That's why I threw "1.0" back at his face.

Like I told him last night, as an alcoholic -- that is to say, somone who has had a lot of practice manipulating people in service to my addiction -- I could read his backtracking and see that he wasn't being real; he was laying lines of defense, not honest communication. Shitty as it is to admit this in public, his behavior is so readable to me.

And -- it's not that he thinks he can explain it away to you. What it is is gaslighting -- by repeating his narrative, hoping to twist yours, in a sense imposing his reality upon your own.

[Thumpalumpacus]

I think it's extremely hard to judge anybody's character in a place like this, I would have to interact with someone in real life to form an accurate opinion of them.

I disagree. Patterns form over time, even from someone intent on disguising their own patterns ... because that, too, leaves a pattern.

[Expired]

I think it's extremely hard to judge anybody's character in a place like this, I would have to interact with someone in real life to form an accurate opinion of them.

I disagree. Patterns form over time, even from someone intent on disguising their own patterns ... because that, too, leaves a pattern.

I suppose it makes it easier for people to form an opinion when they spend a lot more time in here than I do, quite a bit goes over my head anyway due to obvious reasons. I should have said it's extremely hard for me, thinking about it.

[Shell B]

Add a third to the losses; Summer Queen too has anounced her leaving.

Staff, come on -- you're letting fine members get run off, replaced by rape apologists and narcissistic sociopaths. Is that really what you want?

People are responsible for their own emotions. I never got the idea that staff was around to make sure everyone's feelings weren't hurt. There are other places for that. This is a space where people of all opinions get together and talk. There are always going to be ruffled feathers.