Understanding the Ramadan Massacre in Orlando (David Wood)

[CapnAwesome]

Yeah, Islam is the worst. I mean it literally says that the perfect example of a man is a child-fucking slaver from the 6th century. I think many many people discount how important Muhammad is to Islam.

Whether you believe Mohammed was a child-fucker depends largely on if you follow Shia or a Sunni hadiths. I presume you find the Sunni hadiths to be more credible.

In this matter, mainly because the Hadith of Aisha herself is part of that tradition and it's from that Hadith that we get her age. Also it's only the start of Muhammad being a total shithead. By modern stardards he's totally immoral. Yet modern people claim that he's morally perfect. So it doesn't matter that other people were just as bad. Nobody, much less billions of people, are claiming those people to be the morally perfect example of how a man should act.

[CapnAwesome]

We don't claim moral perfection for any of those other people. That's the important part. If Christians and Jews were claiming that a pedophile and slaver was morally perfect, I'd have the same problem with them.

Where do you draw the pedophile line? Mary would likely have been about 14 when God is supposed to have knocked her up.

Wherever the line is, 9 is definitely below it. Modern people have no excuse to hold Muhammad up as morally perfect. That's the important part. Also God is fictional and Muhammad is almost certainly not.

[Mister Agenda]

Whether you believe Mohammed was a child-fucker depends largely on if you follow Shia or a Sunni hadiths. I presume you find the Sunni hadiths to be more credible.

In this matter, mainly because the Hadith of Aisha herself is part of that tradition and it's from that Hadith that we get her age. Also it's only the start of Muhammad being a total shithead. By modern stardards he's totally immoral. Yet modern people claim that he's morally perfect. So it doesn't matter that other people were just as bad. Nobody, much less billions of people, are claiming those people to be the morally perfect example of how a man should act.

The Sunni have a political motivation to Aisha being young, it's part of their justification for the legitimacy for their whole branch of Islam (it's more miraculous if the faith was transmitted through a little girl). If the man even actually existed in the first place. It's a pernicious belief used to justify child marriage today in countries like Saudi Arabia and Yemen. The Shia position is less odious, and equally evidenced. It would be an improvement if the Quranist movement caught on and the hadiths were jettisoned entirely.

[Mister Agenda]

Where do you draw the pedophile line? Mary would likely have been about 14 when God is supposed to have knocked her up.

Wherever the line is, 9 is definitely below it. Modern people have no excuse to hold Muhammad up as morally perfect. That's the important part. Also God is fictional and Muhammad is almost certainly not.

Sunni certainly don't. Shia put Aisha as at least 17, maybe even in her early 20s.

Why are you so certain Mo is not?

[The Grand Nudger]

The best part, ofc...is that it doesn't -matter- what age any particular muslim thinks aisha was..he's a moral exemplar regardless.

[Minimalist]

Muhammad di what every rich and mighty man at his time did. He had an arranged marriage with a child bride. Christian, muslim or jew. Everyone did it at the time. Speaking of better or worse.

It's just the idiot's argument blocking out historical realities.

None of those other rich and mighty are claimed to be morally perfect. That's the important distinction there.

But he was morally "perfect" for the primitive, goat-fucking culture which concocted him.

[abaris]

But he was morally "perfect" for the primitive, goat-fucking culture which concocted him.

As were Solomon and David. Not to forget Lot. Pimping out his daughters to fuck them himself at some point. Big moral example, often presented by christians. If we leave the sexual predatory territory, the list of moral exemplary genocidal maniacs gets even longer. Through all the major religions.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

As a Christian, I'm sure that he has scads of explanations as to why Jesus approved of killing people who didn't accept him, or how Jesus was going to be the most powerful, murderous and oppressive dictator who ever massacred innocents.

Wood is simply a bigot who can't seem to grasp that the actions of a handful of butchering loons are not representative of an entire group.

Boru

True, you can find problems with Jesus, which Christians magically filter out of their brains. But the core religious motivators are (a) the example of your prophet that you are meant to imitate and (b) the conditions for entry into heaven. In this regard, Islam is infinitely more violent than Christianity because (a) Mohammed was infinitely more violent than Jesus and (b) Allah promises heaven for those who die fighting in the cause of Allah.

And these are not a handful of unrepresentative loons, the terrorists have the more credible interpretation of Islamic scripture.

According to the fairy tale in Revelation the best thing that can happen to a Christian is to get killed for his faith.  Then his soul is kept under the altar until the magic number of other Christians have been killed.  Jesus won't return until the magic number of Christians have been killed. 

Revelation 6:9-11 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...EV;MEV;NET.  

So if Christians want Jesus to return they should want to get killed for their faith.  Who knows when the magic number will be reached?

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Islam just incorporated the same BS spewed by Judaism and Christianity.  Together, they are three of the worse religions stupid people have ever believed in.  Islam isn't as racist as Judaism and Christianity but it's as ass-backwards as they are.

Read the biographies of Mo, Jesus and the Buddha, to a 5-year-old, and even they can see that one of these was an infinitely more violent role model than the others. Yes, all religions are stupid, but it's just as stupid to believe they're all as equally violent.

As Sam Harris says: religion is a nearly useless term; it's a term like "sports"; now there are sports like badminton, and there are sports like Thai Boxing; and they have almost nothing in common, apart from breathing.

Moses was probably the most homicidal of the lot.  That guy was a walking wood chipper.  Mohammed and Jesus were just average lunatics who would kill you if you looked cross-eyed at them.  Remember, when Jesus returns he's going to kill all life and destroy the world.  He's not a nice guy at all.  Mohammed has done his damage.  He wasn't sure if he would get into paradise so he might end up in hell.

[drfuzzy]

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As a Christian, I'm sure that he has scads of explanations as to why Jesus approved of killing people who didn't accept him, or how Jesus was going to be the most powerful, murderous and oppressive dictator who ever massacred innocents.

Wood is simply a bigot who can't seem to grasp that the actions of a handful of butchering loons are not representative of an entire group.

Boru

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True, you can find problems with Jesus, which Christians magically filter out of their brains. But the core religious motivators are (a) the example of your prophet that you are meant to imitate and (b) the conditions for entry into heaven. In this regard, Islam is infinitely more violent than Christianity because (a) Mohammed was infinitely more violent than Jesus and (b) Allah promises heaven for those who die fighting in the cause of Allah.

And these are not a handful of unrepresentative loons, the terrorists have the more credible interpretation of Islamic scripture.

The Bible has more than twice the amount of violence as the Koran.  And it's aggressive violence, while Islamic verses usually describe defensive violence.  
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entert...63381.html