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RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American
June 16, 2016 at 9:31 am
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(June 16, 2016 at 8:49 am)Rhythm Wrote: What's the upshot to leaving. What will change for the UK?
That's what I've been trying to figure out.
We get to feel all independent. Then we moan about all the things we lost that we didn't realise we had.
And we get to move our border back to England instead of being in stupid France, so the French will let all the immigrants through to gang up in Dover instead.
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RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American
June 16, 2016 at 9:41 am
(June 16, 2016 at 8:49 am)Rhythm Wrote: What's the upshot to leaving. What will change for the UK?
The backers of the Leave campaign then get to ditch the Working Time Directive and their profits increase because they then can hire fewer people.
Quote:The EU's Working Time Directive (2003/88/EC) requires EU countries to guarantee the following rights for all workers: a limit to weekly working hours, which must not exceed 48 hours on average, including any overtime. a minimum daily rest period of 11 consecutive hours in every 24.
Why Brexit would be a disaster for your employment rights
Quote:In the run up to David Cameron’s EU membership negotiations, it was widely reported that he would demand a full opt-out for the UK from the EU’s working-time directive and the agency workers' directive.
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RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American
June 16, 2016 at 9:43 am
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You might be able to rekindle peoples "days of old" twinkle with an immigrant deportation scheme that doesn;t make the UK seem like a bunch of bigoty old bigots..I thought we got that when we split the world between us? (  ) .
Send the immigrants to australia..or hey, hey...here! Tired, poor, huddled masses and all that.
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RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American
June 16, 2016 at 9:44 am
There's this thing about all the money we send to Europe every week.
I don't claim to understand it all, but I certainly don't buy the implication that we see no return on this money; that we're simply throwing it down the drain.
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RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American
June 16, 2016 at 10:28 am
(June 16, 2016 at 8:49 am)Rhythm Wrote: What's the upshot to leaving. What will change for the UK?
As a Brit, I think I'll chime in here. In brief, we'll be significantly worse off in political, financial and social terms:
Political: The EU is a powerful combination of states, capable of negotiating reasonable/favourable terms on almost every matter of international politics since its birth. That power would be lost and almost impossible to replace. International credibility would also be shot to pieces and UN prestige reduced to that of one of the independent or fringe nations. Brexiters need to understand that the UK alone doesn't have much international kudos at the moment. Regarding the obvious 'deficiencies of EU bureaucracy' (read 'corruption'), it's impossible to fix them from the outside.
Financial: EU political and economic frameworks mean that we have favourable control over revenues generated from imports/exports. That control would be lost and is the major worry for economists, banking institutions & investors as it would mean renegotiating trade deals with every European nation, from scratch. We'd gain a modicum of increased control over taxation, in theory being able to reduce rates however the damage caused to the tax coffers by the likely poorer trade deals would mean increases in tax rates. In fact, the Brexit campaign has already cost the country more in the past 5 days, over £100 billion wiped off share values due to the risk of Brexit, than it cost us in EU membership (£194 million). We're already financially worse off, just from the idea of Brexit.
Social: Immigration benefits the UK vastly more than than it costs us, both financially and socially. Human & civil rights are afforded greater importance than the Brexiters would place on them.
Sum ergo sum
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RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American
June 16, 2016 at 10:31 am
I don't want to hear facts! I want to hear the national anthem, I want to mugs with slogans from the war on them, and I want some good old fashioned racism.
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RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American
June 16, 2016 at 10:33 am
(June 16, 2016 at 10:31 am)robvalue Wrote: I don't want to hear facts! I want to hear the national anthem, I want to mugs with slogans from the war on them, and I want some good old fashioned racism.
Are you implying that supporting stricter border control is racism?
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RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American
June 16, 2016 at 10:37 am
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That sounds like a fact, I'm not interested 
I'm saying I want generally more racism!
(I'm goofing around)
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RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American
June 16, 2016 at 10:39 am
(June 16, 2016 at 10:37 am)robvalue Wrote: That sounds like a fact, I'm not interested
I'm saying I want generally more racism!
(I'm goofing around)
Fair enough.
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RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American
June 16, 2016 at 10:42 am
(June 16, 2016 at 10:33 am)Bella Morte Wrote: Are you implying that supporting stricter border control is racism?
Hey Bella, are you a Brexiter? If so, what are your main justifications?
Sum ergo sum
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