Physical man VS Spiritual man

[ignoramus]

Wait! I thought you were religious?

You just can't trust anything a religious person tells you.

[Aoi Magi]

@OP, Being gay is not seen as natural because we may or may not relate to that based on personal experience, rather it is seen as natural because it is a common occurrence in nature among most animal species especially under a population boom, like what our species is experiencing right now.

Our personal experiences are too unreliable to consider a meaningful source of information especially when it contradicts observable reality. Spiritual thinking might offer a different perspective to some things, but if it cannot be validated against our observable reality, that perspective becomes indistinguishable from made up bullshit, and thus is safer to ignore.

[Athene]

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After listening to the latest Atheist Experience I got thinking about something...

I think even the layman can acknowledge that some arguments against god or a god are only arguments that go against an all good or all loving god, etc. Like the problem with evil. Maybe there is a god who is evil. Or before you post it, maybe the god of the bible is evil. Regardless, lets say that god exists and after mankind falling away from his will only spiritually minded men and women can be attracted to him and know him. To use an analogy, I am a heterosexual male. Some say that if I were gay it would be a choice, not natural. They might reason that they see no practical sense in why I would be attracted to the same sex, probably using their own personal experience as a reference point. But I am sure most atheist here would agree that if I were gay that it would most likely be my natural orientation. So why couldn't an atheist see that they might not understand a spiritually minded person from their own experience but that doesn't disqualify that persons spiritual orientation.

1 Corinthians 2:14 says that the physical man does not accept things of the spirit of god because they are foolishness to him. Sounds like a self-fulfilling prophecy right? But what if spirituality transcends the nature of humans. This could be the "evidence" faith is built on. Evidence is meant very loosely there. If someone is gay, you don't question how he came to that conclusion. If someone has a unbreakable faith in god we assume it is based on so many faults. I say that as one who is envious of that faith because I wish I strongly believed in god. So is it possible that when we make objections against god like, could he make a burrito too hot to eat? If not then he is not all powerful, is basically akin to Ali-G asking Buzz Aldrin if man will walk on the sun one day.

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Thoughts?

Sure, I suppose that's possible. 

It's also possible that such an inclination could be little more than an inability or unwillingness to separate what one wishes to be, from what is. Does dismissing the notion that anything imagined, desired, or mused upon can actually BE simply mean that one is not "attuned"? 

I don't think so.

[KevinM1]

I fail to see why an atheist would care if they're deficient in hypothetically being able to experience spiritual things.

[madog]

If someone has a unbreakable faith in god we assume it is based on so many faults. I say that as one who is envious of that faith because I wish I strongly believed in god.  

The biggest fault/flaw with faith is its almost always a by product of indoctrination from a time before a person could logically evaluate the evidence. Yes a small percentage switch religions and some become converted at a later time but that is probably them buying into the fervor of those already indoctrinated. 

If you actually believe that if a whole community was raised with no religion then shown the empirical evidence from science, evolution, etc, they would suddenly conclude that there was definitely a God from the various religious documents I think you are deluding yourself.

You may consider there must be something more and ponder that issue, but to turn those musings, between all the possibilities you can imagine, into a faith in a particular musing, at the cost of the rest is unlikely but possible.

But getting from a faith that there must be a creator god to the christian god based on reading the bible seems almost impossible, but then again nothings impossible .... (or at least I believe its possible that nothing is impossible   )

[Excited Penguin]

Wait! I thought you were religious?

You just can't  trust anything a religious person tells you.

Did I deny His existence, lol?

[chimp3]

Wait! I thought you were religious?

You just can't  trust anything a religious person tells you.

Did I deny His existence, lol?

Come on ! Deny him! I dare you! Deny your maker!

[ignoramus]

He can't! He's religious. The best he can do is call him a fat fuck when he can't find his car keys! lol!

[Excited Penguin]

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Wait for it...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgxBuo7nits

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[Ben Davis]

Hi, we've not talked before but I hope we can break some bread over this subject. My name's Ben. Pleased to make your acquaintance

I think even the layman can acknowledge that some arguments against god or a god are only arguments that go against an all good or all loving god, etc. Like the problem with evil. Maybe there is a god who is evil. Or before you post it, maybe the god of the bible is evil.

Indeed, any discussion is entirely dependent on the definition/description of the god/s in question or at very leat, the believer's core beliefs regarding the diety/ies. You've not given a definition yet (see my next point).

Regardless, lets say that god exists and after mankind falling away from his will only spiritually minded men and women can be attracted to him and know him.

Okay, the following terms need defining here: 'god', 'exists', 'falling away from his will', 'spiritually minded', 'attracted' & 'knowing'. Currently, this sentence only has accurate meaning to you.

To use an analogy, I am a heterosexual male. Some say that if I were gay it would be a choice, not natural. They might reason that they see no practical sense in why I would be attracted to the same sex, probably using their own personal experience as a reference point. But I am sure most atheist here would agree that if I were gay that it would most likely be my natural orientation. So why couldn't an atheist see that they might not understand a spiritually minded person from their own experience but that doesn't disqualify that persons spiritual orientation.

So you're suggesting that being 'spiritually minded' (definition TBC) is somehow a genetic/epigenetic trait? Do you have any evidence for this proposition?

But what if spirituality transcends the nature of humans. This could be the "evidence" faith is built on. Evidence is meant very loosely there.

What does this mean? I'm not sure you're speaking accurately here. Surely if spirituality transcends human nature, humans can't experience it.

If someone is gay, you don't question how he came to that conclusion.

Because all the best evidence indicates that sexuality is a genetic trait, expressed chemically & neurologically.

If someone has a unbreakable faith in god we assume it is based on so many faults.

Because all the best evidence indicates that religious faith is an indoctrinated ideology. An individual's 'propensity for faith' (is that what you mean by 'spiritually minded?) may be similar to sexuality but the specific type of faith, most certainly, is not.

I say that as one who is envious of that faith because I wish I strongly believed in god.

Why do you wish this? What is it about faith (irrespective of the specific type of faith) that you find attractive?

So is it possible that when we make objections against god like, could he make a burrito too hot to eat? If not then he is not all powerful, is basically akin to Ali-G asking Buzz Aldrin if man will walk on the sun one day.

No, it's not possible. On one hand, we have a challenge relating to an apparent logical contradiction in traits associated with a praticular set of god claims, on the other we have a comedian trying to get laughs by making deliberately stupid comments.

I look forward to your reply.