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Physical man VS Spiritual man
#31
RE: Physical man VS Spiritual man
(July 6, 2016 at 2:16 am)Won2blv Wrote: After listening to the latest Atheist Experience I got thinking about something...

I think even the layman can acknowledge that some arguments against god or a god are only arguments that go against an all good or all loving god, etc. Like the problem with evil. Maybe there is a god who is evil. Or before you post it, maybe the god of the bible is evil. Regardless, lets say that god exists and after mankind falling away from his will only spiritually minded men and women can be attracted to him and know him. To use an analogy, I am a heterosexual male. Some say that if I were gay it would be a choice, not natural. They might reason that they see no practical sense in why I would be attracted to the same sex, probably using their own personal experience as a reference point. But I am sure most atheist here would agree that if I were gay that it would most likely be my natural orientation. So why couldn't an atheist see that they might not understand a spiritually minded person from their own experience but that doesn't disqualify that persons spiritual orientation.

1 Corinthians 2:14 says that the physical man does not accept things of the spirit of god because they are foolishness to him. Sounds like a self-fulfilling prophecy right? But what if spirituality transcends the nature of humans. This could be the "evidence" faith is built on. Evidence is meant very loosely there. If someone is gay, you don't question how he came to that conclusion. If someone has a unbreakable faith in god we assume it is based on so many faults. I say that as one who is envious of that faith because I wish I strongly believed in god. So is it possible that when we make objections against god like, could he make a burrito too hot to eat? If not then he is not all powerful, is basically akin to Ali-G asking Buzz Aldrin if man will walk on the sun one day.

Thoughts?

Why would spirituality need to transcend human nature? Why is human nature viewed as bad? How can this line of thinking be healthy for anyone?
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#32
RE: Physical man VS Spiritual man
It's just humans thinking they are special. We got all this magic mojo going on that isn't available to other animals.

No we don't. We're balding apes who can build, think more abstractly and talk.
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#33
RE: Physical man VS Spiritual man
But we are special. We have crazy imaginations! (Which lead to negative manifestations, that's all)
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RE: Physical man VS Spiritual man
The problem with Won2blv's hypothesis is that it doesn't look at the context behind why the abrahamic faiths had a serious case of the not gays.

The fact of the matter is the tribe which eventually became the jews was small and weak, being conquered a lot, and never having a large population. The strictures against gay sex were in all likelihood an attempt to control population numbers by ensuring every man had loqds of children in order to try and increase the tribe's power. Powerful countries in the region, by and large, didn't have the same strictures on gay sex.
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