Lucifer

[Godscreated]

 Even at the cost of an eternal punishment.

GC

Yeah, it takes a lot of courage to stand by your principles with those kind of consequences.

I had to fight that fear too in my process of leaving religion. Fortunately, I don't have any evidence that a hell exists (or a heaven, god, angels, demons...), so there are only benefits for me. It is the ones who stay with religion who risk losing their lives, not the ones who leave.

 I may have lost the world you consider so precious, what I have gained is an eternal life. My life is secured by the creator of the universe, by His grace.

GC

[Godscreated]

 Does that mean you would take total responsibility and pay for the crimes you caused. {1} The robot could only do what you put into it, leave out the bad stuff and it couldn't do bad things. {2}
 God on the other hand did not program bad things into man, {3} Adam and Eve took it upon themselves to experience the bad side through disobedience. {4} Lucifer was the one who introduced them to the possibility of new knowledge that would elevate them to a new level, they found out that knowledge caused them to become something they never desired, lying does have consequences and they fell for it. {5}

GC

{1} Yes ... although you seem to blame your fictional Gods creations for his fuck ups   

You seem to not have a real grasp about what God did even after I gave you a simple explanation.

{2} Are you claiming your fictional God didn't give us the ability to Kill and rape? Free will to one side, he even ordered man to do such things .... so he not only gave us those capabilities he ordered some men to act on those capabilities   

My God is not fictional and no He did not give Adam and Eve the ability to rape and kill, we obtained that knowledge when they disobeyed God. you need to read and study the Bible the answer is there in plain English in the first three short chapters.

{3) Oh he most certainly did .... If he existed he allowed us to do anything (until man existed there was no good or bad as regards man) .... He programmed man to feel pain when they hurt themselves, but not when they hurt someone else .... in fact he programmed some men/women to feel pleasure when they hurt others  ....

You are the most ridiculously minded person I've met here, go read the story and try to exert a little of your mind to understand we are arguing a story as it's written, not the story that you are making up as you go.

{4} I would consider that as kick starting them to do bad things so he could get them to do some of the shit he got off on later in the OT ....

You're being completely stupid, there is no evidence of your accusation in the scriptures.

{5} so now you blame one of your fictional Gods creations that fucked up, for fucking up his next creation? Using one fuck up as a defense for a defense of another fuck up sort of sums up your fucked up doctrine 

 My God is not fictional, you are making a claim you can't prove, if you have proof then bring it and it's not my responsibility to defend against your claim it's your responsibility to prove your claim. You have no idea what the doctrines of the scriptures are. If you continue to use such foul language 'I will quit responding to you'. Grown sensible people should not need such language to communicate, it shows only ignorance on the part of the user.

GC

[Godscreated]

 I wasn't threatening anyone, that's your own mind deceiving you because you want to believe you were threatened. Aii I have done is state what the scriptures indicate.

GC

Yeah right. God is not here threatening us. You are. At least own it.

I don't care what a dumb book says. You are the one here telling people it is real, and that they will suffer if they don't join your cult.

 I'm sorry you can't accept the truth, that isn't my fault.

GC

[Godscreated]

  No life no punishment, this is a simple fact. You should read and study the Bible and find out what hell really is like. Each person will make their own hell according to who they were.

GC

Hell is the only way religion can justify religious masochism.

 Someone is getting desperate for excuses.

GC

[madog]

{1} Yes ... although you seem to blame your fictional Gods creations for his fuck ups   

You seem to not have a real grasp about what God did even after I gave you a simple explanation.

You explained nothing, you just asked if I would prefer if your fictional God made me a Robot ....

{2} Are you claiming your fictional God didn't give us the ability to Kill and rape? Free will to one side, he even ordered man to do such things .... so he not only gave us those capabilities he ordered some men to act on those capabilities   

My God is not fictional and no He did not give Adam and Eve the ability to rape and kill, we obtained that knowledge when they disobeyed God. you need to read and study the Bible the answer is there in plain English in the first three short chapters.

I'm sorry to be the one to inform you but he is a fictional character .... I bring you back to the answer where I stated I would take responsibility for anything I created ... which includes the lucifer character (his first fuck up) and the snake his second fuck up or purposeful, ploy to ensure Adam and Eve would commit a sin ... or at least a sin in your fictional Gods warped game 

{3) Oh he most certainly did .... If he existed he allowed us to do anything (until man existed there was no good or bad as regards man) .... He programmed man to feel pain when they hurt themselves, but not when they hurt someone else .... in fact he programmed some men/women to feel pleasure when they hurt others  ....

You are the most ridiculously minded person I've met here, go read the story and try to exert a little of your mind to understand we are arguing a story as it's written, not the story that you are making up as you go.

Pain is something your fictional God apparently gave us so we don't damage our own bodies .... So he took our effective free will to hurt ourselves or take our own lives to escape his games because humans don't like pain ....

Now if he could dissuade our effective free will to hurt ourselves he could have added something to stop us hurting others .... I don't need to read you book to know that much 

By the way Your fiction book started making it up as it goes thousands of years before me 

{4} I would consider that as kick starting them to do bad things so he could get them to do some of the shit he got off on later in the OT ....

You're being completely stupid, there is no evidence of your accusation in the scriptures.

Are you saying Adam, Eve and the snake are not in your book? If they are that is KICK STARTING THEM TO DO BAD THINGS

{5} so now you blame one of your fictional Gods creations that fucked up, for fucking up his next creation? Using one fuck up as a defense for a defense of another fuck up sort of sums up your fucked up doctrine 

 My God is not fictional, you are making a claim you can't prove, if you have proof then bring it and it's not my responsibility to defend against your claim it's your responsibility to prove your claim. You have no idea what the doctrines of the scriptures are. If you continue to use such foul language 'I will quit responding to you'. Grown sensible people should not need such language to communicate, it shows only ignorance on the part of the user.

GC

I can't prove your Woo man in the sky did anything I DON'T BELIEVE HE EXISTS .... I certainly can't give you proof of my opinions on a fictional story book ..... "GROWN SENSIBLE PEOPLE" don't believe in Woo 

[Godscreated]

You seem to not have a real grasp about what God did even after I gave you a simple explanation.

You explained nothing, you just asked if I would prefer if your fictional God made me a Robot ....


My God is not fictional and no He did not give Adam and Eve the ability to rape and kill, we obtained that knowledge when they disobeyed God. you need to read and study the Bible the answer is there in plain English in the first three short chapters.

I'm sorry to be the one to inform you but he is a fictional character .... I bring you back to the answer where I stated I would take responsibility for anything I created ... which includes the lucifer character (his first fuck up) and the snake his second fuck up or purposeful, ploy to ensure Adam and Eve would commit a sin ... or at least a sin in your fictional Gods warped game 


You are the most ridiculously minded person I've met here, go read the story and try to exert a little of your mind to understand we are arguing a story as it's written, not the story that you are making up as you go.

Pain is something your fictional God apparently gave us so we don't damage our own bodies .... So he took our effective free will to hurt ourselves or take our own lives to escape his games because humans don't like pain ....

Now if he could dissuade our effective free will to hurt ourselves he could have added something to stop us hurting others .... I don't need to read you book to know that much 

By the way Your fiction book started making it up as it goes thousands of years before me 


You're being completely stupid, there is no evidence of your accusation in the scriptures.

Are you saying Adam, Eve and the snake are not in your book? If they are that is KICK STARTING THEM TO DO BAD THINGS


 My God is not fictional, you are making a claim you can't prove, if you have proof then bring it and it's not my responsibility to defend against your claim it's your responsibility to prove your claim. You have no idea what the doctrines of the scriptures are. If you continue to use such foul language 'I will quit responding to you'. Grown sensible people should not need such language to communicate, it shows only ignorance on the part of the user.

GC

I can't prove your Woo man in the sky did anything I DON'T BELIEVE HE EXISTS .... I certainly can't give you proof of my opinions on a fictional story book ..... "GROWN SENSIBLE PEOPLE" don't believe in Woo 

  People who are going to live forever in paradise believe in it and the God who inspired it.

GC

[Lucifer]

Yeah, it takes a lot of courage to stand by your principles with those kind of consequences.

I had to fight that fear too in my process of leaving religion. Fortunately, I don't have any evidence that a hell exists (or a heaven, god, angels, demons...), so there are only benefits for me. It is the ones who stay with religion who risk losing their lives, not the ones who leave.

 I may have lost the world you consider so precious, what I have gained is an eternal life. My life is secured by the creator of the universe, by His grace.

GC

I hope you also enjoy this life, just in case.

[madog]

I can't prove your Woo man in the sky did anything I DON'T BELIEVE HE EXISTS .... I certainly can't give you proof of my opinions on a fictional story book ..... "GROWN SENSIBLE PEOPLE" don't believe in Woo 

  People who are going to live forever in paradise believe in it and the God who inspired it.

GC

The robot I created said "rust in peace" ....

[Godscreated]

 I may have lost the world you consider so precious, what I have gained is an eternal life. My life is secured by the creator of the universe, by His grace.

GC

I hope you also enjoy this life, just in case.

 There is no just in case about this life, I know for a fact God is real and yes I do enjoy this life, God enhances this life and gives Christians a joy beyond understanding.

GC

[Godscreated]

 I was peaking of Lucifer. I have seen Christians punished for trying to undo God' work in a church.

GC

What work was it, and how were they punished?

 Building a church God wanted for the area it was in and I'm not speaking of a building.
Some became ill with sickness that lasted the rest of their lives, some died from different things, one lost his spouse to the handyman something that brought a huge embarrassment to his prideful life.
 A few years later those who were still alive admitted they had been very wrong in what they had done, i personally witnessed some of these confessions.   

GC