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Lucifer
#91
RE: Lucifer
(July 11, 2016 at 3:22 pm)Godschild Wrote:
(July 10, 2016 at 8:40 am)lisah Wrote: What work was it, and how were they punished?

 Building a church God wanted for the area it was in and I'm not speaking of a building.
Some became ill with sickness that lasted the rest of their lives, some died from different things, one lost his spouse to the handyman something that brought a huge embarrassment to his prideful life.
 A few years later those who were still alive admitted they had been very wrong in what they had done, i personally witnessed some of these confessions.   

GC

What did they do that interfered with building the church?
"My imagination makes me human and makes me a fool; it gives me all the world and exiles me from it."

Ursula K. Le Guin
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#92
RE: Lucifer
(July 10, 2016 at 8:34 am)Drich Wrote:
(July 9, 2016 at 6:30 pm)Thena323 Wrote: Yah...I know what covet means.

Sure, I've entertained such thoughts in passing, in regards to the first two questions, at least. Never once organized an army of colleagues and attempted an actual takeover of the company, though. 
That's not what I was getting at, anyhow. I was relaying my impression that there are limits to Biblical God's capabilities.

Christians generally convey otherwise, but I disagree.

But you do understand there are those who more agressivly 'covet' or at the very least think way too highly of themselves... and if one were to compound that over a few thousand years (working a job when you feel as if you have what it takes to own the place) something is bound to happen.

Look at the civil war.. same kind of thing happened there where in the southern most states thought they could make a better go of being a nation than what the rest of the union could provide. And... it didn't take a few thousand years for them to act.

Considering all things, If you were a believer/one of the angels who had to make a choice (stay with God or rebel) I looks as if your temperament would have had you make the same decision 2/3 of the angelic host made. You did not understand Lucifer's desire to break or knew it would fail so you stayed with God..

 I understand the covetous nature just fine. 
Trust me...I work with a bunch of chicks that are dead-set on destroying me.

The premise of my posts is that within Biblical context, it appears as though God doesn't simply smack Satan down because He can't.

Not yet, anyway.

According to text the Biblical God does seem to quite mighty, but doesn't he strike me as all-powerful, or all knowing, but He's generally purported to be.
That's was my  gist.
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#93
RE: Lucifer
(July 11, 2016 at 3:22 pm)Godschild Wrote:
(July 10, 2016 at 8:40 am)lisah Wrote: What work was it, and how were they punished?

 Building a church God wanted for the area it was in and I'm not speaking of a building.
Some became ill with sickness that lasted the rest of their lives, some died from different things, one lost his spouse to the handyman something that brought a huge embarrassment to his prideful life.
 A few years later those who were still alive admitted they had been very wrong in what they had done, i personally witnessed some of these confessions.   

GC

It's scary to me that you're trying to credit your God with these punishments, like he's ISIS taking responsibility for revenge killings.
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#94
RE: Lucifer
A touch of post hoc, ergo propter hoc mayhap?

Quote:A guy at work bought a car out of the paper. Ten years later, Bam! Herpes.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#95
RE: Lucifer
It certainly is. It's just the desire to connect the events that surprises me. Not even any pretense of a good and loving God. A murderous dictator, instead. Weird people are so ready to worship it.

Well, we know why, don't we. Such people are scared shitless. It's just really sad they spend their whole lives fearing and obeying absolutely nothing.
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#96
RE: Lucifer
(July 11, 2016 at 6:35 pm)lisah Wrote:
(July 11, 2016 at 3:22 pm)Godschild Wrote:  Building a church God wanted for the area it was in and I'm not speaking of a building.
Some became ill with sickness that lasted the rest of their lives, some died from different things, one lost his spouse to the handyman something that brought a huge embarrassment to his prideful life.
 A few years later those who were still alive admitted they had been very wrong in what they had done, i personally witnessed some of these confessions.   

GC

What did they do that interfered with building the church?

 They tried to tear it apart. Causing division instead of unity.

 GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#97
RE: Lucifer
(July 12, 2016 at 8:45 am)robvalue Wrote:
(July 11, 2016 at 3:22 pm)Godschild Wrote:  Building a church God wanted for the area it was in and I'm not speaking of a building.
Some became ill with sickness that lasted the rest of their lives, some died from different things, one lost his spouse to the handyman something that brought a huge embarrassment to his prideful life.
 A few years later those who were still alive admitted they had been very wrong in what they had done, i personally witnessed some of these confessions.   

GC

It's scary to me that you're trying to credit your God with these punishments, like he's ISIS taking responsibility for revenge killings.

 Something you can't understand, so why get involved in the conversation. You should be afraid for your own self, your eternal life is at stake.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#98
RE: Lucifer
No, I can't understand why you'd worship an evil tyrant. You're quite right.
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#99
RE: Lucifer
The catch with eternity is that just like, Lucifer, was struggling with the noble pain, which came from service, people nowadays can't even imagine themselves becoming servants who work for free for the rest of their life.

Lucifer, simply gave up. People give up as well, even in the face of permanent death. So, even if they had this feeling like faith, they are trying to kill it.
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RE: Lucifer
(July 13, 2016 at 5:16 am)Godschild Wrote:
(July 11, 2016 at 6:35 pm)lisah Wrote: What did they do that interfered with building the church?

 They tried to tear it apart. Causing division instead of unity.

 GC

I think that explaination is a bit too general for me.

What were the activities they engaged in that created division instead of unity?

Also, what was your role in process of building this church?
"My imagination makes me human and makes me a fool; it gives me all the world and exiles me from it."

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