Lucifer

[chimp3]

Disobeying who exactly? People like you, who presume to speak for God?

Why do you disobey what Muslims tell you to do?

It seems that whenever believers say people like us are to be punished by god it is usually the believers who feel privileged to do the punishing.

[madog]

Well according to your fiction book God created Lucifer as the shining one .... his creation was a fuck up .... he then created man and he was a fuck up .... see a pattern here?

  What I see is the disobedience from creatures who have the free will to do so, just like you. Except you are so lazy that you would rather God made you a robot.

GC

I didn't want him to make me at all, Oh he didn't ... phew ....

I know if I made a Robot and could program free will and it went out and murdered raped, etc, etc I would take responsibility for my fuck ups and not blame my creation/robot by hiding behind the fact that I gave it free will .....

I would accept that it was a fuck up to design a robot that was unsuitable to handle free will ... and realise I was not a designer worthy of being worshiped ....

[lisah]

Brightest of angels sold out God. Are you certain that you wont?

 Hey you come up real short on reasoning, Lucifer sold himself out, God's still the One with everything and will always be. I'm certain I want betray God as Lucifer did, I've seen what happens to those who think they can defeat God.

GC

What exactly have you seen happen?

[Lucifer]

Yes, I, Lucifer, am awesome. I think for myself and encourage others to do the same. I don't let myself get bullied into obedience, even by an all-powerful one. I want people to enjoy the pleasures that life offers.

[LastPoet]

Haha. Good one. The dumbfucks like their fantasy.

[purplepurpose]

I think angels are badass beings, because they are in constant struggle(pain) between noble life of servitude like some sort of samurai and giving it up for pussy and influence. Now thats a free will.

Lucifer(from the bible. But we got one here with the same opinion) gave up. There is nothing good in giving up noble lifestyle. Although I can understand his decision.

[Athene]

Seems as though that should make one wonder what gave Mr. Lucifer reason to believe that he could.
Become the shot caller, Alpha and Omega that is.

It certainly crossed my mind as a believer. Didn't care to think on it too hard, though.

So... working at your job you never once thought this place would shut down without me? Or I could do this myself, and put this place out of business?

Have you ever looked at someone who you thought was a little less than you/your station in life and wonder why they seemed to be doing better? Ever want something not yours?

Coveting God/what God has was Lucifer's core sin.

Yah...I know what covet means.

Sure, I've entertained such thoughts in passing, in regards to the first two questions, at least. Never once organized an army of colleagues and attempted an actual takeover of the company, though. 
That's not what I was getting at, anyhow. I was relaying my impression that there are limits to Biblical God's capabilities.

Christians generally convey otherwise, but I disagree.

[Thumpalumpacus]

A Perfect Carpenter doesn't build a crooked cabinet.

[ignoramus]

Thump. What if the cabinet wants to buckle and warp on its own over time?

(The perfect carpenter should know that wood will do that, but he builds it anyway and then destroys it when it buckles naturally)
Way to go God !...

[Godscreated]

  What I see is the disobedience from creatures who have the free will to do so, just like you. Except you are so lazy that you would rather God made you a robot.

GC

I didn't want him to make me at all, Oh he didn't ... phew ....

I know if I made a Robot and could program free will and it went out and murdered raped, etc, etc I would take responsibility for my fuck ups and not blame my creation/robot by hiding behind the fact that I gave it free will .....

I would accept that it was a fuck up to design a robot that was unsuitable to handle free will ... and realise I was not a designer worthy of being worshiped ....

 Does that mean you would take total responsibility and pay for the crimes you caused. The robot could only do what you put into it, leave out the bad stuff and it couldn't do bad things.
 God on the other hand did not program bad things into man, Adam and Eve took it upon themselves to experience the bad side through disobedience. Lucifer was the one who introduced them to the possibility of new knowledge that would elevate them to a new level, they found out that knowledge caused them to become something they never desired, lying does have consequences and they fell for it.

GC