If free will was not real

[Foxaèr]

Free will is merely the will to choose freely.

[Edwardo Piet]

Which ultimately we don't have.

[Foxaèr]

We do.

I daily have the free will to either go left or right, or choose one thing over another.

That is free will.

[Edwardo Piet]

You say the same thing every layperson says

[Edwardo Piet]

You say what my brother says before he knew better. You say what I said as a kid.

When asked how we can freely choose whether to go left or right the layperson just says "I choose to go left or right"

[Edwardo Piet]

"because I do. We can all choose which way to go." It's theist logic. It's true because it's true

[Foxaèr]

I have the free will to either go left or right down the street.

That is free will.

If I did not have free will to choose the direction in which I could go, then that would mean I had no free will.

[Edwardo Piet]

Think of a capital in the world, first one that pops to your head.

Let's say it's Paris. Why did you think of Paris and not Berlin?

Because it didn't occur to you?

Were you free to choose that which did not occur to you to choose?

Thoughts simply arise in the mind... and they come from unconscious sources.

Science has even substantiated evidence that our unconscious mind makes a decision up to 7 seconds before we become aware of it...........................................

Not that the scientific evidence was even necessary. Considering libertarian free will is an incoherent concept anyway.

[Foxaèr]

Predeterminism makes no room for free will.

God is predetermistic.

He decides your will.

Free will means you make your own decisions.

[Edwardo Piet]

I have the free will to either go left or right down the street.

You say you do. And that's because your motives motivated you to say that. And ultimately your motives come from prior causes that stretch back to the beginning of the universe. You were always going to say this no matter what.

That's if determinism is true.

If determinism is false then the universe is indetermnistic, and randomness is certainly not free. If a bunch of dice at the beginning of the universe is deciding anything we are no more free than if prior causes decide everything.

If I did not have free will to choose the direction in which I could go, then that would mean I had no free will.

So the question is.... why do you think you do you have the free will to choose which direction you can go? You may have been always going to have choose that direction no matter what because it's on the path of the one possible future. The other direction at that exact point in time may be an illusory option because the option you chose was predetermined from prior causality.