Religion and Spanking

[ignoramus]

The old wogs used it often. It was the normal thing back then.
Even at school with the strap!

Things change, our morals are ever changing, we are constantly evolving.
In a thousand, they will look back at us burning fossil fuels, killing our planet and not blinking an eye and see us as irresponsible terrorists. But today, this is normal...
We're all guilty, we just don't care because it's the world we live in.
Today, it's not immoral to pollute the world in small doses.

[Foxaèr]

The old wogs used it often. It was the normal thing back then.
Even at school with the strap!

You really do have a thing for being punished.

[ignoramus]

I swear I didnt pinch her bum in grade 2. I was framed! FRAMED I TELL YA!

The strap was well worth it though.

[vorlon13]

Strapped with the strop . . .

[swoon]

[BrokenQuill92]

Strapped with the strop . . .

[swoon]

Hey I'm trying to run a serious thread here!

[bennyboy]

Spanking is a poor form of justice, but a good source of classical conditioning. Spanking must not be in response to a cognitive complaint, but to a specific environmental stimulus.

So, "Johnny, you didn't do your homework again. You know the rules, bend over" is not likely to have good results, except to make him fear and hate his father. However, if you spank a kid every time he runs toward the street, he will learn not to run toward the street. I'm not saying it's a good method or the best, but it will in fact be effective if done properly.

In my house, we have the 5-to-0 countdown. In both my kids cases, I only ever reached zero once. They do not like the number zero. Zero involved some spanking, but mostly a lot of shouting and slamming of doors-- generally, a really really bad moment. My kids respect me-- when playing they'll walk all over me, tickle me, sometimes hit me. But when I say "5," the show stops.

I think there's bad parenting on BOTH sides of this issue. The way some people plead and negotiate with their kids is disgusting. So is the way parents hit their kids out of anger, for no other reason than that they are annoyed by something. Liberal douches and conservative douches both do a pretty good job of fucking up their children.

In the end, the parent should remove ambiguity from the kids' lives: whatever is going to happen, it should be black-and-white. If rule X is broken, punishment Y is going to happen. And that's just how the universe works.

[SteelCurtain]

I agree with Benny.

Most studies done show that authoritarian parenting produces the best results, on average. This doesn't mean a tyrannical parent, but a parent who asserts their authority. But kids are little hoomans, and not every kid responds to the same parenting approach. Also, they are exposed to a million little things that are beyond any parent's control that will shape the person they will become. A particularly bad dream can traumatise a kid for life. Nothing a parent can do about that. The point is that there are a thousand things that can influence bad behavior in a kid.

Spanking, while it works as a conditioning method, is fraught with side effects that are bad. For one, it teaches children that being physically aggressive or violent with people is a way to solve problems. Two, it is often coupled with a waiting period (say, for the other parent to come home) which allows the child to sit in fear. Lastly, while many parents who spank their kids will swear that they never do it in anger and hug their children and make them feel safe and secure afterwards, it is impossible to remove the message of anger from the act of swinging your hand (or an object) at a child.

Now, plenty of children who are spanked grow up to be good, well adjusted people. My siblings and I were spanked with a belt. I don't associate any trauma with it, and my brother doesn't, either. My sister spanks her three kids, and they are fantastic little fuckers. I won't do it if I ever have kids. There are so many different and more effective ways to discipline your child without hitting them.

[BrokenQuill92]

I agree with Benny.

Most studies done show that authoritarian parenting produces the best results, on average. This doesn't mean a tyrannical parent, but a parent who asserts their authority. But kids are little hoomans, and not every kid responds to the same parenting approach. Also, they are exposed to a million little things that are beyond any parent's control that will shape the person they will become. A particularly bad dream can traumatise a kid for life. Nothing a parent can do about that. The point is that there are a thousand things that can influence bad behavior in a kid.

Spanking, while it works as a conditioning method, is fraught with side effects that are bad. For one, it teaches children that being physically aggressive or violent with people is a way to solve problems. Two, it is often coupled with a waiting period (say, for the other parent to come home) which allows the child to sit in fear. Lastly, while many parents who spank their kids will swear that they never do it in anger and hug their children and make them feel safe and secure afterwards, it is impossible to remove the message of anger from the act of swinging your hand (or an object) at a child.

Now, plenty of children who are spanked grow up to be good, well adjusted people. My siblings and I were spanked with a belt. I don't associate any trauma with it, and my brother doesn't, either. My sister spanks her three kids, and they are fantastic little fuckers. I won't do it if I ever have kids. There are so many different and more effective ways to discipline your child without hitting them.

Btw I think you meant authoritative

[SteelCurtain]

I agree with Benny.

Most studies done show that authoritarian parenting produces the best results, on average. This doesn't mean a tyrannical parent, but a parent who asserts their authority. But kids are little hoomans, and not every kid responds to the same parenting approach. Also, they are exposed to a million little things that are beyond any parent's control that will shape the person they will become. A particularly bad dream can traumatise a kid for life. Nothing a parent can do about that. The point is that there are a thousand things that can influence bad behavior in a kid.

Spanking, while it works as a conditioning method, is fraught with side effects that are bad. For one, it teaches children that being physically aggressive or violent with people is a way to solve problems. Two, it is often coupled with a waiting period (say, for the other parent to come home) which allows the child to sit in fear. Lastly, while many parents who spank their kids will swear that they never do it in anger and hug their children and make them feel safe and secure afterwards, it is impossible to remove the message of anger from the act of swinging your hand (or an object) at a child.

Now, plenty of children who are spanked grow up to be good, well adjusted people. My siblings and I were spanked with a belt. I don't associate any trauma with it, and my brother doesn't, either. My sister spanks her three kids, and they are fantastic little fuckers. I won't do it if I ever have kids. There are so many different and more effective ways to discipline your child without hitting them.

Btw I think you meant authoritative

100% I did mean authoritative. I had no idea the thing that is authoritarian parenting even existed. A quick Google and I did not mean that thing. Authoritative.

[ignoramus]

It's official folks! SC has told us via a Freudian slip.
He rules his dog with authority!

Like a dictator!
Just look at the way he treats the poor thing! I have the proof!