The "Cultural Context" Excuse

[The Grand Nudger]

Yes....what a -wonderful- realization............you must then be referring to something not at all "so close" in any meaningful sense.  

An entirely seperate species.  So....there would be markers in our DNA for that.  What portion of our DNA is non-human, and which portions are those?  More specifically, which portion -of that- is serpent dna?

*emphasis mine*

You do realize that Tigers and Lions are different SPECIES, yet can produce hybrid offspring? Hence being close in biology but all the while being a separate species. Got it?

Does that answer my question..is it even relevant to the subject of serpent human hybrids?  No, and No.  Still wondering.  

I'll make you a deal, I'll answer that when you can answer the same exact questions as it relates to abiogenesis, and the exact steps life took to evolve from a primordial soup...

Deal? Is the inability of someone else to explain something else supposed to excuse you for refusing to even make an attempt to explain your own propositions?  Weren't you -just- bitching about obfuscation?

I'll simply conclude that it remains as an assertion with no evidence or explanation to back it..that doesn't have anything to do with death, or with sin, as you said it did, originating from a fringe reinterpretation of hebrew folklore. That all this talk of hybrids and genetics was a screen for magic and ignorance, and a desire on the part of the advocate to make myths refer to something real, for a change. Or maybe you just like to argue, and this has been 30 pages of useless asshattery?

Is the above attempt anything other than an admission on your part that you cannot point to such markers, that you cannot establish that such a hybridization occurred..that your entire claim is, in no uncertain terms and regardless of what magic book says.......baseless? If magic book says something that has no basis, that there is no evidence for where there -would be-...then what does that say about what magic books says..as you see it?

[Huggy Bear]

*emphasis mine*

You do realize that Tigers and Lions are different SPECIES, yet can produce hybrid offspring? Hence being close in biology but all the while being a separate species. Got it?

Does that answer my question..is it even relevant to the subject of serpent human hybrids?  No, and No.  Still wondering.

I realize you're slow, but i'm done hand holding and am moving on. What I posted goes to show why your previous statement of:

The same species then?

If they were the same species then how can they be hybrid? Use your brain.

Yes....what a -wonderful- realization............you must then be referring to something not at all "so close" in any meaningful sense.  

THE SAME SPECIES CANNOT BE HYBRID, AND "CLOSE" DOES NOT MEAN "SAME SPECIES".

Hence why I gave you the example of a lion and tiger which any elementary school student would have understood, yet it still goes over your head.

I'll make you a deal, I'll answer that when you can answer the same exact questions as it relates to abiogenesis, and the exact steps life took to evolve from a primordial soup...

Deal? Is the inability of someone else to explain something else supposed to excuse you for refusing to even make an attempt to explain your own propositions?  Weren't you -just- bitching about obfuscation?

I'll simply conclude that it remains as an assertion with no evidence or explanation to back it..that doesn't have anything to do with death, or with sin, as you said it did, originating from a fringe reinterpretation of hebrew folklore.  That all this talk of hybrids and genetics was a screen for magic and ignorance, and a desire on the part of the advocate to make myths refer to something real, for a change.  Or maybe you just like to argue, and this has been 30 pages of useless asshattery?

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Except you claim to deal in things that are "testable", I've made no such claim, otherwise faith wouldn't be required now would it?

To quote your earlier post.

If someone's confident in their hybridization and extinction hypothesis they ought to be able to answer a few properly basic questions from the field they chose to invoke, there would be some evidence.

So I'll answer your questions as long as you answer mine as it relates to abiogenesis, it's only fair right?

Because to believe something had occurred, one must know every possible detail, correct?

[The Grand Nudger]

THE SAME SPECIES CANNOT BE HYBRID, AND "CLOSE" DOES NOT MEAN "SAME SPECIES".

Hence why I gave you the example of a lion and tiger which any elementary school student would have understood, yet it still goes over your head.

Here you are making an ass of yourself again, lol.  Did it go over my head, do you think?  

So, what species was the serpent, and where is the serpent dna in our hybrid human dna.  This should be trivially easy to identify.  What happned to all the purebred humans, and why have hybrid humans been selected for over them?

*emphasis mine*

Except you claim to deal in things that are "testable", I've made no such claim, otherwise faith wouldn't be required now would it?

To quote your earlier post.

You don't think genetics is testable.  You don't think that heredity is testable?  You don't think that hybridization is testable?  See, I kind of figured it was an oversight on your part.  You didn't -mean- to talk about something testable, it just happened.  

So I'll answer your questions as long as you answer mine as it relates to abiogenesis, it's only fair right?

Because to believe something had occurred, one must know every possible detail, correct?

Fair is what children stomp their feet about when they don't get their way.  I'm asking you to take your own proposition seriously.  You either will or you wont, but theres no room to negotiate with me on that count.  It's your baby...I -love- watching you make an ass of yourself.  I'll happily let you continue to do so.

We're 34 pages in now..and you've argued so hilariously for your reading of the bible that you've made the narrative falsifiable. Not just the OT either...every single reference you made to establish your reading..including those from the NT. Woops...I guess? Now were sitting here, you and I..with Jesus magic and sin and death and the entire crux of your faith on the hook -where you put it-........... and you won't even take the time.

[Huggy Bear]

I notice how you don't dare take me up on that challenge...

[The Grand Nudger]

-said the man as he ran from his own claims as fast as his hybrid legs could carry him.

Honestly, whats the point of your participation in this thread, Huggy? You've abandoned everything you just finished arguing for.

[Huggy Bear]

Not at all, I said I'd answer those question as long as you're willing to answer the same questions as they relate to abiogenesis.

If you cannot answer the same questions regarding what you "believe", then you're nothing more than a hypocrite.

[The Grand Nudger]

Which is another way of saying you won't or can't answer them.  We're both adults, ostensibly, lol. What value is an appeal to hypocrisy supposed to have? Would my being a hypocrite prove that you were right about something, or that I was wrong? No, and no. It's just whining at having been caught out peddling bullshit.

So, straight up. Are you right about the interpretation, and in being right have demonstrated your beliefs to be false? Or could you be wrong...and with that the glimmer of hope that they may yet be true?

[Huggy Bear]

No it's not...

It's a way of saying I'm willing to answer questions as long as you are, since you're apparently a coward and not willing to put any skin in the game,  it seems I just may not be answering anymore questions.

[The Grand Nudger]

I'll just ask them again anyway.

Are you right about the interpretation, and in being right have demonstrated your beliefs to be false? Or could you be wrong...and with that the glimmer of hope that they may yet be true?

[Huggy Bear]