Milwalkee riots

[Athene]

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Paul, yours was when you hoped that a member of the BLM would be run over by a car followed immediately by Bella saying they were fucking arseholes.
Whether you mean it in a racist way or not, you're both usually followed by A Theist who obviously feels encouraged and then Robert.E.
Like Thena said, it's about perception.
That's why I asked you what your stance actually is.
You see, I'm asking you for an explanation.
And if I'm out of line by calling you all out, then I will accept that and apologise.
I fucking hate confrontation.
But the way that Thena feels is the very thing I was worried about and I felt compelled to say something.
That's why I said if there were 10 more saying similar things, I wouldn't want to be any part of it.

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You've got a cheek!!! So, anyone who doesn't tow the line, or should I say, your way of thinking is a racist, full-stop? I put up a valid argument about other races in the United States and how they are NOT targeted that often by the police. Ask yourself why as to why that it before pulling bella, paul or myself up. Are you culturally challenged by any chance? I have lived and grown up in areas that have a large majority of ethnic groups. I went to a secondary school in the Midlands where 50% of the students were muslim, and it was then I had my first visit to a mosque. It was culturally enriching too. How about learning another language other than one that requires knowledge of the latin alphabet, something like Putonghua, or Hakka, or many of the various dialects of Chinese. Why not Hiragana, Katakana or the Kaji that are the equivalent of Chineset characters. Until you learn something about other cultures i.e. Hispanic, black, Chinese, Vietnamian etc etc, you have to understand the people and how they deal with situations. Furthermore, I refer you to a system again, that is even more oppressive than anything an immigrant in the USA has ever had to endure; the Caste system. We go on about certain races in America, we go on about religions and how they are oppressive, yet I am not able to find a thread on this forum about the worst system in the world. Read up on it and then you'll see that what the blacks went through for a couple of hundreds of years, would be nothing to compared to what the caste system has done to certain people in India over the last couple of thousand years, but that is another topic. Either way, #alllivesmatter#

Nah...Not towing the line, isn't racist.

Being unwilling to acknowledge the difference between a protester and a rioter, might be though. Dismissing legitimate concerns, and maintaining that such concerns aren't worthy of being discussed or addressed until unreasonable, and often unrelated challenges/demands are met, is rather suspect.

Suggesting that you're somehow privy to knowledge or a formula that has allowed you to quantify group suffering, indicates that you may have some "issues" as well.

[paulpablo]

Wow, goin all the way back to 2013.

Why does me talking about how I imagine id feel as a person who's a slave owner relate to my sarcasm in this thread.

I'm wasn't arguing for slavery, I was putting myself in the mind of someone who has a vast fortune based on slavery and wether or not I'd give up that lifestyle taking into account its in a time where slavery is relatively common.
Basically saying anyone on this forum put into a situation where they're raised in a different era would be likely to have a different moral outlook.

How it relates is this.

In your op you quote a guy stating:

"It's sad you know because this what happen, because they not helping the black community, like you know, the rich people they got all this money, and they not like you know tryin to give us none."

Not the best articulation, I know, but here's the thing. The Jews and the Japanese were paid reparations for the injustices that they suffered, but were not able to do the same for black people?

You guys look at it like it's a handout, but people actually put in hard labor and were paid nothing, how about paying their families for all that free labor.

Those generations had nothing to pass down to their children hence the economic inequality.

If you want to balance scales you must remove weight from one side and add to the other. Eliminating the policies that created the unbalance in the first place, simply leaves the scales unbalanced.

How would one go about doing this? I don't know, but I would focus on the major corporations that profited off of slavery.

But what does this have to do with my comment being sarcastic or not?

[Huggy Bear]

Again, you are showing ignorance, when you only talk about Jews and Japanese. What about the Irish population who were treated as slaves in the United States too? Why don't the African population ask for reparations from Saudi Arabia and the conquering arabs who took about 20 million black people as slaves? Aren't they worthy of reparations?
How about the late, great Arther Ashe, Muhammed Ali, Jessie Jackson, Martin Luther King Jr, Jessie Owens, Jack Johnson and countless others besides? The thing that links all of them together is the wanting to work hard and get to where they wanted to be in life. Life owes no-one a living, regardless of what colour your skin is, what your sexual preference is, whether you wear glasses or not. If you work hard, you get the benefits. Most of those names I mentioned would turn in their graves seeing what is happening to the younger generation today. They have everything they have ever wanted in life, more so than their ancestors had, and they still want more, which for me, is greed, plain and simple. If you are not willing to put in a days hard graft, then don't blame every man and his dog if you don't make it in life. The onus is on YOU, not the state.

*emphasis mine*

Are you stupid?

last I looked slaves did work hard, also they weren't paid anything... Giving the families of the slaves money that they are owed for unpaid labor is called restitution and is not a hand-out dummy.

[Athene]

There was nothing about that phrasing that sounded sarcastic. Seems like backpedalling to me.

I showed this video of some black people doing stupid shit then some accusation of racism starts.
So I jokingly say if it's racist that means this video represents black people as a race and I hope that isn't the case.
I don't get how someone couldn't see I'm being sarcastic, I thought it would be impossible.
That would mean I've never met a black people who could speak English well who didn't want to burn and loot buildings and how likely do you think that is?

Not unlikely at all.

Any good racist must acknowledge that there are exceptions to the rule...anomalies, if you will.

[Huggy Bear]

How it relates is this.

In your op you quote a guy stating:

"It's sad you know because this what happen, because they not helping the black community, like you know, the rich people they got all this money, and they not like you know tryin to give us none."

Not the best articulation, I know, but here's the thing. The Jews and the Japanese were paid reparations for the injustices that they suffered, but were not able to do the same for black people?

You guys look at it like it's a handout, but people actually put in hard labor and were paid nothing, how about paying their families for all that free labor.

Those generations had nothing to pass down to their children hence the economic inequality.

If you want to balance scales you must remove weight from one side and add to the other. Eliminating the policies that created the unbalance in the first place, simply leaves the scales unbalanced.

How would one go about doing this? I don't know, but I would focus on the major corporations that profited off of slavery.

But what does this have to do with my comment being sarcastic or not?

That's the thing, I don't think you were being sarcastic.

[paulpablo]

But what does this have to do with my comment being sarcastic or not?

That's the thing, I don't think you were being sarcastic.

Well what does it have to do with anything I've said? You were showing me a comment you believed exhibited my racism and I told you it was just a post where I was explaining how I'm different circumstances we might have different moral values to what we have now, even in extreme cases like owning slaves.
Then you were explaining to me the logic behind restitution for some reason but I have no idea why.

[Crossless2.0]

Any good racist must acknowledge that there are exceptions to the rule...anomalies, if you will.

Nearly every racist I've ever called out in real life has been quick to tell me about that one friend.

[RobertE]

You've got a cheek!!! So, anyone who doesn't tow the line, or should I say, your way of thinking is a racist, full-stop? I put up a valid argument about other races in the United States and how they are NOT targeted that often by the police. Ask yourself why as to why that it before pulling bella, paul or myself up. Are you culturally challenged by any chance? I have lived and grown up in areas that have a large majority of ethnic groups. I went to a secondary school in the Midlands where 50% of the students were muslim, and it was then I had my first visit to a mosque. It was culturally enriching too. How about learning another language other than one that requires knowledge of the latin alphabet, something like Putonghua, or Hakka, or many of the various dialects of Chinese. Why not Hiragana, Katakana or the Kaji that are the equivalent of Chineset characters. Until you learn something about other cultures i.e. Hispanic, black, Chinese, Vietnamian etc etc, you have to understand the people and how they deal with situations. Furthermore, I refer you to a system again, that is even more oppressive than anything an immigrant in the USA has ever had to endure; the Caste system. We go on about certain races in America, we go on about religions and how they are oppressive, yet I am not able to find a thread on this forum about the worst system in the world. Read up on it and then you'll see that what the blacks went through for a couple of hundreds of years, would be nothing to compared to what the caste system has done to certain people in India over the last couple of thousand years, but that is another topic. Either way, #alllivesmatter#

Nah...Not towing the line, isn't racist.

Being unwilling to acknowledge the difference between a protester and a rioter, might be though. Dismissing legitimate concerns, and maintaining that such concerns aren't worthy of being discussed or addressed until unreasonable, and often unrelated challenges/demands are met, is rather suspect.

Suggesting that you're somehow privy to knowledge or a formula that has allowed you to quantify group suffering, indicates that you may have some "issues" as well.

There is clearly a difference between what you care about and what I care about. I care about the world as a WHOLE, and not ONE race. Every country has suffering and as such, it needs to be brought to the attention of the world. Think back to how the Jewish were treated in Europe for the last 2,000 years, and compare that to how the lowest caste are treated. In the democratic world, the USA or UK for example, we all have the right to an education, we can eat with whomever we wish to eat with, we can marry whoever we wish to. In the caste system, it is a disgrace, where the lower castes don't have the right to an education, they are most often sent to prison for trivial matters, whereas someone from a higher caste would get off scott free. You see, that is the difference between you and me. I see the whole world, you only see the United States. Whatever goes on in the United States has no effect on those in the United Kingdom because we are more liberal than the Americans and the rednecks of this world. We embrace many cultures, we love cuisine that is proper cuisine, not McDos or BurgerKing or KFC. We have Islamic channels, Punjabi channels, Chinese channels that show us what we in the West are clearly missing. We have cinemas that show punjabi films, we have curry miles, in fact, we have everything that the rednecks don't have.


Jackie Cheung and Andy Lau are brilliant in this one:

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Why not this guy

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Or why not this late great singer:

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Of course, according to you, I am culturally backward because I am white. Racist.

[RobertE]

Again, you are showing ignorance, when you only talk about Jews and Japanese. What about the Irish population who were treated as slaves in the United States too? Why don't the African population ask for reparations from Saudi Arabia and the conquering arabs who took about 20 million black people as slaves? Aren't they worthy of reparations?
How about the late, great Arther Ashe, Muhammed Ali, Jessie Jackson, Martin Luther King Jr, Jessie Owens, Jack Johnson and countless others besides? The thing that links all of them together is the wanting to work hard and get to where they wanted to be in life. Life owes no-one a living, regardless of what colour your skin is, what your sexual preference is, whether you wear glasses or not. If you work hard, you get the benefits. Most of those names I mentioned would turn in their graves seeing what is happening to the younger generation today. They have everything they have ever wanted in life, more so than their ancestors had, and they still want more, which for me, is greed, plain and simple. If you are not willing to put in a days hard graft, then don't blame every man and his dog if you don't make it in life. The onus is on YOU, not the state.

*emphasis mine*

Are you stupid?

last I looked slaves did work hard, also they weren't paid anything... Giving the families of the slaves money that they are owed for unpaid labor is called restitution and is not a hand-out dummy.

Firstly, you misquoted me, since I am talking about today which has nothing to do with slavery. Secondly,

just for you son:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

[Huggy Bear]

That's the thing, I don't think you were being sarcastic.

Well what does it have to do with anything I've said? You were showing me a comment you believed exhibited my racism and I told you it was just a post where I was explaining how I'm different circumstances we might have different moral values to what we have now, even in extreme cases like owning slaves.
Then you were explaining to me the logic behind restitution for some reason but I have no idea why.

Look, even back in those days there were white people vehemently opposed to slavery usually referred to as abolitionists. You made it very clear that YOU personally would not be among the abolitionists.

Now do you get it?