ISIS is the Sauds. The Sauds own ISIS. It's America's cold war gift.

[WinterHold]

May Allah curse the Wahhabi filth.

The swarms of motherfuckin zombies fighting the filthy war of their masters is beyond description. 

Just one question: why does ISIS fight the Houthiies in Yemen?

Why does ISIS fight the enemies of the Sauds, and say hi to their fiends?
Come on, reader ! don't be a sheep.



 

Saudi flag:



Why do you blame Islam, and leave saudi arabia? why kiss saudi politicians in the mouth?



No..so many western countries are friends with ISIS. ISIS serves the west and the U.S and Israel so good in the region.

No. Motherfuckers are gaining ground because of ISIS. If the U.S wants to invade, let ISIS attack first, them under "fighting terror" an invasion takes place.
America and the west: DO YOU HEAR ME? SAUDI ARABIA IS THE MAIN TERRORIST HERE. THEY ARE ISIS. IT'S IMPOSSIIBLE TO CLAIM THAT YOU FIGHT ISIS, AND IN THE SAME TIME YOU MAKE RELATIONS WITH SAUDI ARABIA.

Look at the face of the terrorist fuck above. Two terrorists; actually.

In conclusion, ISIS is an American invention, with Saudi support both in the economical level and in the terms or religion. ISIS believes and advocates Wahhabi Islam which is a Saudi trademark.

[Jesster]

Meh. I've already stated before how much I dislike American involvement with Middle-Eastern powers. That includes Saudi. I wouldn't go as far as saying ISIS is an American invention though. Is The USA partly to blame for setting up the environment that made ISIS possible? Absolutely. I don't think that's too much of a secret by now, especially to people like me who were enlisted in the war that followed 9/11. I think you are taking things to a bit of an extreme though. This is how conspiracy theories happen.

[InsaneDane]

Saying that the U.S/The West is solely responsible for the creation of IS is ignorant.

I too dislike the Western involvement in many Middle Eastern countries, but to completely neglect the extremism all the years of dictatorship has fostered and to look at how the Muslim factions have always been killing the crap out of eachother, be it on a tribal level, or be it like the Iran-Iraq conflict.

Though I absolutely despise the "partnership" between the US and Saudi Arabia, it's ridiculous to think that the thought and act of an Islamic Caliphate is anything new and that it was set up by the west.

But when you look at Afghanistan before the intervention (Which they asked us to), most soldiers didn't volunteer to go and kill "terrorists"... They volunteered to combat the Taleban and to help the civilian population, who were being treated and neglected on the same level as the Islamic State will, if they manage to take more land.

Bodies hanging from the lamps and lying in the street, a complete ban on anything that is western and ONE media.

Oh and lets not forget the Talebans purging any tribes who would dare to disagree with them.

Yes, a few civilian lives were lost, but it is war... As sad as it is, all wars have civilian casualties and when the enemy hides amongst civilians and know how the Rules of War are and how the West have to follow it to the point.
Insurgents like the Taleban and Islamic State uses civilians as a resource.
A disposable resource that they use to the fullest, cause they know the repercussions a civilian death has to the coalition as a whole.

[ReptilianPeon]

The Saudi flag contains the Shahada. That alone would not be so controversial. The sword is quite telling. That sword tells me all I need to know about what those flags represent.

Julian Assange of Wiki Leaks says he has e-mails show Hilary Clinton gave weapons to DARSH sow that should be fun. But we must ignore all that because: "OMG first woman president"! If the devil was a woman and she was going to be the first woman president they still say to vote for her because idk. Yes, it's a very sad world we live.

[The Grand Nudger]

Saying that the U.S/The West is solely responsible for the creation of IS is ignorant.

I too dislike the Western involvement in many Middle Eastern countries, but to completely neglect the extremism all the years of dictatorship has fostered and to look at how the Muslim factions have always been killing the crap out of eachother, be it on a tribal level, or be it like the Iran-Iraq conflict.

Though I absolutely despise the "partnership" between the US and Saudi Arabia, it's ridiculous to think that the thought and act of an Islamic Caliphate is anything new and that it was set up by the west.

You're talking to a person who is positively -driven- to absolve islam of blame in any particular.  He doesn't even think that those "other muslims" are Real Muslims™.  The problems of islam, and the middle east, are -always- someone else's doing.  GL to you all the same, though.

But when you look at Afghanistan before the intervention (Which they asked us to), most soldiers didn't volunteer to go and kill "terrorists"... They volunteered to combat the Taleban and to help the civilian population, who were being treated and neglected on the same level as the Islamic State will, if they manage to take more land.

I volunteered beforehand, and I was a peacekeeper beforehand, but I saw myself as a peacekeeper afterwards as well.  I wasn't in the service to kill terrorists, I was in it to help people. That has someting to do with my sub-mos training as an in-theatre trainer more than an assualter of enemy assets (MOUT).....though as part of that I obviously trained alot of people on how to assault enemy buildings in contested streets or cities...the focus was more on clearing buildings with minimal civilian casualties when those civilians were being held or otherwise leveraged by militants..than it was on destroying the building -as- an enemy asset.  I appreciate that you acknowledge motivations like that.

Pursuant to that, and acknowledging my bias...I'm deeply disappointed that we've increasingly leveraged drones to do this for us, and that we've allowed a greater level of acceptable civilian casualties. Yes, a mout team is more costly (both in real and human terms)...but it does the job -better-, and might not make the people whom we're ostensibly looking to help hate us for sending a killer godamned robot to lob a hellfire through their sons nursery in order to hit an ied cell one floor beneath. People would sometimes cry and hug us....gear and all, when we cleared a building properly. I've never seen anyone hug a drone, or a missile. The entire situation is deeply and disturbingly divergent.

[InsaneDane]

I volunteered beforehand, and I was a peacekeeper beforehand, but I saw myself as a peacekeeper afterwards as well.  I wasn't in the service to kill terrorists, I was in it to help people.

Massive respect for you to "suit-up" and get the job done. 
I too aspired to become infantry, but unfortunately I damaged my spine in bootcamp.
While drones are incredibly effective at instilling fear in the enemy, as they can strike at any given time with good effect.
But as you say, there's not really anything that can get the job done as boots on the ground. It makes the civilian population feel better
and with the stuff that NATO was doing in the rural parts of Afghanistan, with building wells, schools, etc, it gives us an edge over the Taleban and sways the population to our side.
And I know from experience (though only with 9mm training rounds.) that room clearing and all is risky, dangerous, but incredibly effective at minimizing the civilian casualties, compared to a JDAM or a Hellfire.

I don't know what my view on this would be had I gone to Afghanistan, but as a former serviceman, do you think that the entire thing about a nations casualties, really concern civilians when it comes to peacekeeping?

I mean the people who are down there, are down there fully knowing and willing to do the job they're put there to do.
But I feel like back at home, we're often treating soldiers who are always volunteers nowadays, like they're put at unneccessary risk and that they shouldn't be there at all.

It seems stupid to me that people oppose boots on the ground, as it would possibly claim casualties on our side.

Casualties due to shitty equipment and lousy command is in no way to be accepted, but in some situations like Afghanistan and their fucking IED's, I feel like the serviceman is the best person to determine wether or not he should be there, and not some civilian at home, feeling the need to tell him that he shouldn't be there because it puts him at risk.

[WinterHold]

Meh. I've already stated before how much I dislike American involvement with Middle-Eastern powers. That includes Saudi. I wouldn't go as far as saying ISIS is an American invention though. Is The USA partly to blame for setting up the environment that made ISIS possible? Absolutely. I don't think that's too much of a secret by now, especially to people like me who were enlisted in the war that followed 9/11. I think you are taking things to a bit of an extreme though. This is how conspiracy theories happen.

The involvement of foreign powers in this region dates back to thousands of years; since the time of the Romans themselves; they even had a version of the Empire here in the desert, called "the Eastern Roman Empire/ The Byzantine Empire". The region also witnessed Asian brutality seen in the Mongol hellish invasions, preceded and followed by European crusades, and in the modern era Europeans came back to invade, bringing a new friend specialized in mass executions and mass murder; called the U.S.A -hell; these Americans annihilated a whole nation before they come beating the drums of war in the region !-. All of that resulted in a vert big messy situation.

Away from historical lectures; it's an infinite loop.of foreign hordes raiding the region, either for the warm waters, or for simply the sun rays that towns like London always missed, fresh fruit and olives, black gold (oil)...etc.

The problem is, the people of these invading nations never want to admit the sins of their ancestors, or their own, even if they met a Muslim like me, jeester, who admits every tiny sin committed by ancient Muslims (like invading Spain and kidnapping blonde women).

I don't know what you saw, or what you experinced; jeester, but I saw death, flesh, blood, all in the name of false ideas and cranky ideologies that can't fair against logic. Speaking in the context of this topic, the Sauds are murderers, the war that followed 9/11 has their fingerprints allover; I wasn't kidding when I said they are ISIS; the colored version, they are criminals:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saud_bin_A...er_Al_Saud

When I say that this royal family is not even close to Islam or not even closer to practicing it (and millions of orher activists) atheist christians jews budhits and hindus attack me, assault me, tin-foil me. Even if I brought a video that exposes them, or brought a videoed story of how homosexuality is prohibited for the people YET ALLOWED IN THE DORMS OF THE SAUDS.

Is the Uncle Sam -poor, poor uncle sam !- with all of his CIA, can see what the Sauds are?
Is poor uncle sam, so ignorant of the fact, that handshaking the sauds is literally killing me, and allowing them to torture me and chase me, EVEN IN GRAND INTERNATIONAL HOTELS, UNDER CCTVS ??

No, Jeester. I have a rebellious mind; one that kings hate and fear so much, despise so much (they have whole gulags and prisons for the like of me!). I'm not a tinfoil

Only americans with atomic weapons get respect from such filth.
Human rights are a fake. I, and so many, are dying under torture, but perhaps the west wanted such regimes all along?

To do the dirty work as a proxy, instead of direct intervention like the case of Rome and the Crusades??

InsaneDane

Yes. It's pretty ignorant to blame the west alone; no, the sin is ...10% western, and 90% Muslim, perhaps?
The torturer is not an American: he's actually an Arab; a Middle Eastern local. 

But the 10% do get their hands dirty, like in Abu-Ghuraib.
Sometimes the 10% becomes 100% like in the 2003 invasion of Iraq, or the help in transplanting Israel in the region -to get rid of the Jewish ghettos in Europe-.

But to know the size of the involvement in every time frame, just look at who shall earn what.
It's all about natural resources; and believe it or not: even DRUGS.
I mean the British Empire was officially the drug dealer of China, and had a war with the Chinese over that.

So, it's like "throwing a grenade in the hole then blame the mole rats for the *boooooooof" ".Yes; the Chinese were lazy addicts, but was that addiction possible without Britain acting like the rich, huge supplier?

Saying yes means selfishness and an imperial mentality.
Saying no means ignorance.

Choose an answer.
Again, the link that documents how the british empire worked in the drug industry,and murded thousands in its bloody journey:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars

The Afghani people never asked for invasion. The ones who asked were "a small minority", that wanted the help of the U.S's aid against the USSR and its hordes. America obeyed the Opium deal and answered with stinger packages, Osama Bin Laden, Saudi Jihadists. It was the beginning of the cursed black flags. The beginning of Sunni alliance with the CIA under the banner of Saudi Arabia, the good o'l Arabi Muzlem agent that served Britian so well then turned to serving the U.S.

The Taliban themselves are proxy, managed and maintained by Pakistan, the American ally; that gave Osama a long period of rest.

What I mainly criticize in your comment, is that small subsets don't represent the whole population. Not all Germans were Nazis, not all Europeans are imperialistic invades, not all American soldiers take joy in torturing and killing civilians.

The Taliban is not the whole Afghani people; Karzai is not the Afghani people, ISIS is not all of Muslims, and people who carry the Saudi passport are not all the Sauds.

RiptilianPoen

The sword is a curved Arabian swords -The same that they use capital punishments-; aside from using this type of swords for execution, it is a very good representation for the Bedwin mentality; that "unique" mindset; as if it was a message that reads : "Follow us; or else !"





Where does ISIS come from? who sponsers it with cash, passports and weapons? I think these pictures pretty much talk for themselves

ISIS is not the property of Bush or Obama or even Clinton, ISIS is the private army of the U.S and Israel. They use it to deliever slaps to whomever they want in the region, when the Houthies in Yemen began to kick Saudi ass, ISIS jumped to the rescue and ironically began to fight the enemies of the Sauds.

Who are ISIS? They are the people above wearing masks.
Hilary, Trump, to me it makes no difference. Nobody will fight the establishment; and its dogs. 

Still, the leaders of the west & terrorists dance together with curved swords and come the next day lecturing us about "freedom and human rights".

And Busta Rhymes sings:





Rhythm

You're talking to a person who is positively -driven- to absolve islam of blame in any particular.  He doesn't even think that those "other muslims" are Real Muslims™.  The problems of islam, and the middle east, are -always- someone else's doing.  GL to you all the same, though.

What can I do? I mean taking "infedels" as military trainers is enough to unMuslim a Muslim.



I'll be fooling myself to call them Muslims, I mean that would make me fail every Sherlock Holmes novel out there ! 

and ignoring that reminds me of:





What I simply mean is : "lol, you really fell for the bluff, and thought the Arabs were real Muslims ?? xD".
If they were, believe me, they wouldn't dance with curve swords side by side to infdel armies, at least they would've had the guts to serve their own cause using their own muscles instead of crying to Sam's great abs, at every Russian eye blink at their sorry lame limp reality that tortures to shut people up.

I volunteered beforehand, and I was a peacekeeper beforehand, but I saw myself as a peacekeeper afterwards as well.  I wasn't in the service to kill terrorists, I was in it to help people. That has someting to do with my sub-mos training as an in-theatre trainer more than an assualter of enemy assets (MOUT).....though as part of that I obviously trained alot of people on how to assault enemy buildings in contested streets or cities...the focus was more on clearing buildings with minimal civilian casualties when those civilians were being held or otherwise leveraged by militants..than it was on destroying the building -as- an enemy asset.  I appreciate that you acknowledge motivations like that.

No, you don't get to do the dirty job. You -and your whole squad- were a decoy; something to give to the media.





In reality, though:

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[Thumpalumpacus]

America and the west: DO YOU HEAR ME? SAUDI ARABIA IS THE MAIN TERRORIST HERE. THEY ARE ISIS. IT'S IMPOSSIIBLE TO CLAIM THAT YOU FIGHT ISIS, AND IN THE SAME TIME YOU MAKE RELATIONS WITH SAUDI ARABIA.

Believe me -- many, many Americans (myself included) would like nothing better than for us to tell Saudi Arabia to fuck off.

It'll be a good day when the oil runs out, and the Saudis can go back to herding.

[The Grand Nudger]

They'll lose their importance long before "the oil runs out".  Like any business, they need to come up with an alternative profit stream -before- their current well runs dry.

@Atlass,
Ofc they take us as military advisors...we're better at it than they are. What's the problem...do muslims like to lose? I hope, on the basis of that..especially, that no one is niave enough to think that we (as in the US) are -buddies- with the regime. We have an interest in them, a stake even..you might say. That's not friendship, that's business. Whatever regime we propped up in that region would be beholden to that interest, the signs change.....the product and the customer do not.

Regarldess of what you think my purpose was, I find it amusing that you can;t even accept a reality in which american soldiers help anyone - regardless of what their betters may be up to. You have to cheapen that...those lives, and the lives of the people who were given assistance when the umma failed to do so, or in the more common cases..when it was the umma itself shitting on them. I know, I know..death to america, down with the great satan...all the worlds ills and whatnot. You, and people like you..are a joke...things will never get better for you, or people like you, until you all learn to stop putting stock in this -and other- fairy tales. Has it never occurred to you that the very act of blaming your every woe on the nebulous west is precisely what has allowed your -own- cultures power brokers to sell you out -to- us, whomever we are supposed to be?

Bust down a door yourself to yank a crying child out of the hands of islamist assholes....islamists bitch about it. Train -other- islamists to bust down a door and yank a crying child out of the hands of -yet more- islamist assholes......islamists bitch about it. It's almost as if it's the yanking of children out of the hands of islamists assholes that they'll just never be happy about it, no matter who does it, where, when, or why.

Perhaps you should have led in with "May allah curse the islamist filth"?

One day, when your own home grown islamists, for which you are a tireless cheerleader, turn on you (and I think that you and I both know why they might do that)...hopefully, someones going to be there to yank -you- out of -their- hands....and have fun spitting in their faces for it, I guess.

[Thumpalumpacus]

They'll lose their importance long before "the oil runs out".  Like any business, they need to come up with an alternative profit stream -before- their current well runs dry.

Of course. I was just going with the economical phrase, not trying to capture all the details of the matter.