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Heard about EpiPen CEO?
#81
RE: Heard about EpiPen CEO?
(August 26, 2016 at 6:31 pm)LastPoet Wrote: You guys do like to throw punches at eachother. Must be an old fart thing.

Yeah. That old fart.
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#82
RE: Heard about EpiPen CEO?
(August 26, 2016 at 4:30 pm)Gemini Wrote:
(August 25, 2016 at 11:29 am)Drich Wrote: I say F-u to those too proud young to learn how to use a syringe. the creator of the pen should be allow to sell it at any price, so long as the base drug is still accessible and affordable.

Fixed that for you. You fucking douchebag.

The part our no rules market idiot forgets in their answer they gave "accessible and affordable".  NO SHIT SHERLOCK. This is the same mentality gun worshipers have, "No rules and if I don't get affected by it personally then fuck everyone else".
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#83
RE: Heard about EpiPen CEO?
(August 26, 2016 at 7:40 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(August 26, 2016 at 4:30 pm)Gemini Wrote: Fixed that for you. You fucking douchebag.

The part our no rules market idiot forgets in their answer they gave "accessible and affordable".  NO SHIT SHERLOCK. This is the same mentality gun worshipers have, "No rules and if I don't get affected by it personally then fuck everyone else".

No rules market? You have no idea what you're talking about. It's government patent awards and FDA regulations that allows these shitbags to raise prices without consequence, not a no rules market.
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#84
RE: Heard about EpiPen CEO?
(August 26, 2016 at 7:55 pm)Cato Wrote:
(August 26, 2016 at 7:40 pm)Brian37 Wrote: The part our no rules market idiot forgets in their answer they gave "accessible and affordable".  NO SHIT SHERLOCK. This is the same mentality gun worshipers have, "No rules and if I don't get affected by it personally then fuck everyone else".

No rules market? You have no idea what you're talking about. It's government patent awards and FDA regulations that allows these shitbags to raise prices without consequence, not a no rules market.

NO kidding, and when government is lopsided you can water down words to the point effective change cant get done. Mice print makes the Vegas 3 card Monty legal, but that does not make it moral. So yea, it is no "rules". It simply becomes legalized racketeering.

Government will happen, so it isn't government itself that is bad, it is monopolies and apathy.

Ok, let me rephrase it, "Might as well be a no rules market"

Our "rules" as it stands now favor power over humans.
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#85
RE: Heard about EpiPen CEO?
So after all that you agree that the 'rules' have created the issue, but maintain that it's the same as having no rules. That makes absolutely no sense. If there was no barrier to copying the delivery system, Mylar would be punished by the market for drastically raising its prices. The FDA makes matters worse by classifying epipens as both a drug and a medical device. This means that as generic versions become available doctors will be prohibited from making an equivalent prescription.

The government and its champions can scream like stuck pigs all they want, but the government is the source of this problem.
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#86
RE: Heard about EpiPen CEO?
(August 27, 2016 at 12:27 am)Cato Wrote: So after all that you agree that the 'rules' have created the issue, but maintain that it's the same as having no rules. That makes absolutely no sense. If there was no barrier to copying the delivery system, Mylar would be punished by the market for drastically raising its prices. The FDA makes matters worse by classifying epipens as both a drug and a medical device. This means that as generic versions become available doctors will be prohibited from making an equivalent prescription.

The government and its champions can scream like stuck pigs all they want, but the government is the source of this problem.

NO, greed by one party and lack of effective laws. Government is needed, what is not needed is our fellow humans not giving a fuck about other humans. I'm old enough to know what Reagan's deregulation has done over the past 36 years.
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#87
RE: Heard about EpiPen CEO?
(August 27, 2016 at 8:12 am)Brian37 Wrote: NO, greed by one party and lack of effective laws. Government is needed, what is not needed is our fellow humans not giving a fuck about other humans. I'm old enough to know what Reagan's deregulation has done over the past 36 years.

Effective laws? Your constant invocation of greed seems to suggest that you would support a law that would cap prices or margin. Have a look at Venezuela for an example of the consequences. It's the current laws that have created the problem. For me, effective laws as a solution would be to modify patent law that would work to ensure R&D recovery while not artificially establishing a government mandated monopoly. FDA regulation should also be modified, in this case the classification rules mentioned earlier that would prevent doctors from immediately prescribing a generic alternative.

You wail about deregulation, yet refuse to recognize regulation as part of the problem. Your reflexive hatred for all things business has blinded you to what the problem is.

I commiserate with those of limited means that truly need the potentially life saving device, but cannot square your constant lambasting of business for their greed while seemingly being okay with wanting at-cost supply based on need. Think about it. If the current price (I'll use $600/year) was the actual market price and not an inflated price allowed by the government created monopoly, someone on minimum wage would spend twenty minutes of every workday towards a life saving purchase (I used the federal rate and 240 working days per year). How many minutes of each day are worked for entertainment and other nonessential discretionary spending that cannot reasonably rise to the qualification of 'need' like a potentially life saving device? People spend more than $2.50 per day on overpriced coffee.
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#88
RE: Heard about EpiPen CEO?
(August 27, 2016 at 9:28 am)Cato Wrote:
(August 27, 2016 at 8:12 am)Brian37 Wrote: NO, greed by one party and lack of effective laws. Government is needed, what is not needed is our fellow humans not giving a fuck about other humans. I'm old enough to know what Reagan's deregulation has done over the past 36 years.

Effective laws? Your constant invocation of greed seems to suggest that you would support a law that would cap prices or margin. Have a look at Venezuela for an example of the consequences. It's the current laws that have created the problem. For me, effective laws as a solution would be to modify patent law that would work to ensure R&D recovery while not artificially establishing a government mandated monopoly. FDA regulation should also be modified, in this case the classification rules mentioned earlier that would prevent doctors from immediately prescribing a generic alternative.

You wail about deregulation, yet refuse to recognize regulation as part of the problem. Your reflexive hatred for all things business has blinded you to what the problem is.

I commiserate with those of limited means that truly need the potentially life saving device, but cannot square your constant lambasting of business for their greed while seemingly being okay with wanting at-cost supply based on need. Think about it. If the current price (I'll use $600/year) was the actual market price and not an inflated price allowed by the government created monopoly, someone on minimum wage would spend twenty minutes of every workday towards a life saving purchase (I used the federal rate and 240 working days per year). How many minutes of each day are worked for entertainment and other nonessential discretionary spending that cannot reasonably rise to the qualification of 'need' like a potentially life saving device? People spend more than $2.50 per day on overpriced coffee.

Ugggggg, no.

I really do get tired of the false accusation or implication that every business in the world is bad. NO, but the climate is far too full of those at the top that are doing nothing but exploiting. Business can do good, but better business is that which improves not exploits. There simply is no justification or morality in jacking up prices like that. You can call it complex and claim "you just don't understand" all you want. 

A  little inequity in life will happen, and is to be expected, but what we have now is a race to the bottom, not positive competition that lifts others.
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#89
RE: Heard about EpiPen CEO?
(August 27, 2016 at 9:58 am)Brian37 Wrote: There simply is no justification or morality in jacking up prices like that.

I have said as much and you continue to ignore my point.
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#90
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(August 27, 2016 at 10:04 am)Cato Wrote:
(August 27, 2016 at 9:58 am)Brian37 Wrote: There simply is no justification or morality in jacking up prices like that.

I have said as much and you continue to ignore my point.

If your point is to give the 1% and GOP more of everything they have gotten over the past 36 years, I don't agree with that. So if we agree there is no morality or justification for that, then I don't see how blaming the government is solving anything, when it is the misuse of it by one party and one class.

I'd only blame dems politicians for allowing themselves to be controlled by the GOP narrative in that time, and the GOP gerrymandering. Being held hostage by the other party isn't the same as being the hostage taker.
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