Is the Hadith a Forgery?

[Alex K]

The fact that you don't like them doesn't make them forgeries.They are obviously and officially a part of islam, too, so I'm not sure what you mean.They are supposed to have been written down from oral traditions at some point. Do you contest that that's the case?

How are the hadiths authentic, at least from what I read I found no mention of hadiths in the Qur'an.
And the Qur'an supposedly has all the answers to all the questions.

What would it mean for them to be authentic?

[ScienceAf]

How are the hadiths authentic, at least from what I read I found no mention of hadiths in the Qur'an.
And the Qur'an supposedly has all the answers to all the questions.

What would it mean for them to be authentic?

For them to be a legitimate part of Islam.
I don't see how they are.
How do I take the writers word for it.

[Alex K]

What would it mean for them to be authentic?

For them to be a legitimate part of Islam.
I don't see how they are.
How do I take the writers word for it.

What condition would they have to satisfy to be a legitimate part of islam?

[ScienceAf]

For them to be a legitimate part of Islam.
I don't see how they are.
How do I take the writers word for it.

What condition would they have to satisfy to be a legitimate part of islam?

That's Islams burden.
They just have to find a way.
Like maybe mention upcoming hadiths in the Qur'an.
If they can't then who am I to know if they are legitimate or not.

[Alex K]

What condition would they have to satisfy to be a legitimate part of islam?

That's Islams burden.
They just have to find a way.
Like maybe mention upcoming hadiths in the Qur'an.
If they can't then who am I to know if they are legitimate or not.

I mean, who defines what's a legitimate part of islam and what isn't?

[ScienceAf]

That's Islams burden.
They just have to find a way.
Like maybe mention upcoming hadiths in the Qur'an.
If they can't then who am I to know if they are legitimate or not.

I mean, who defines what's a legitimate part of islam and what isn't?

God should, or the Qur'an.
Otherwise if there isn't such a verification then it's just false.

Good point actually.

The Qur'an can't be verified, that might a forgery/falsehood too.

Holy shit.
Mind Blown.

[Alex K]

Holy shit, that captures it well, yes.

[RobertE]

The fact that you don't like them doesn't make them forgeries.They are obviously and officially a part of islam, too, so I'm not sure what you mean.They are supposed to have been written down from oral traditions at some point. Do you contest that that's the case?

How are the hadiths authentic, at least from what I read I found no mention of hadiths in the Qur'an.
And the Qur'an supposedly has all the answers to all the questions.

The Qur'an is clearly based on the Old Testament, and the Hadiths are simply the equivalent of the New Testament. That is the way I see it anyway. Made up bollocks to just persuade sheep to join.

[ReptilianPeon]

Were is Atlas when you need him? Of course the Hadith a ful of lies. Some can be cross examined but many cannot. Hadith is an Arab word for Chinese Whispers.

[RobertE]

Some reasons as to why Sunnites want to wipe out the Shi'ites:

Apparently, (found this in a post)

Both Jews and the Shia believe in Astrology and consulting the stars.
The Jews have their huge volume book The Talmud (73 volumes) while the Shia have their huge volume book Bihar al anwar 110 volumes)
Both Jews and the Shia believe in Esoteric(Batini) reading of the Holy Book.
Both Jews and the Shia believe in leadership passes divinely through linage.
Both Jews and the Shia pray 3 times a day.
Both Jews and the Shia have secret teaching they believe is forbidden for the laymen to learn.
Jews and The Shia share common belief such as the belief that Joshua stopped the sun from setting (shia also say Ali did the same).
Both the Jews and the Shia believe in authority of their leaders. Jews believe in rabbinic Authority while Shia believe in the authority of the Marja.
Both the Jews and the Shia believe in an end of time Messiah/Mahdi that will rule by the rule of David and pray in Hebrew.
Both Shia and Jews hate the Arabs.

And:

Shias and Jews believe that Jihad is Haraam till the Mahdi comes.
Both Shias and Jews believed that mixture of religion and politics is Haraam till Mahdi appears.
*However, both Shias and Jews have lost patience and made their own bidahs (WF and Israel).
Shias and Jews can't eat Fish without scales.
Shias and Jews can't eat rabbit.

I am sure that there are more differences that can be found. Although Sunnis like to claim that Islam is the final word of their God, it seems that Shia Islam wanted to keep the Jewish aspect.