This Piece of Orange Shit Belongs In Jail

[Jackie]

[Cato]

If someone put a gun to my head and forced me to vote for one of the two, I would vote for Clinton and then go vomit. The only reason would be what Steel referred to earlier, the potential impact to my fellow citizens, but unlike others am not operating under the illusion that she will be a force for good; only that she is more likely than Trump not to make things worse domestically.

The SCOTUS concern that is often thrown around is a non-starter for me. People tend to forget that many Republican Senators are openly hostile to Trump and will not make anything easy for him. I also cringe at the possibility of five more Kagens and Sotomayors on the bench. I would rather see the likes of O'Connor, Kennedy and Souter; not a chance of this with Clinton.

Right now I'll stick with voting for Johnson, but there's a bit more than a month to change my mind. We'll see.

[Whateverist]

Let's see---Hillary used her charitable foundation to do a lot of good in the world while at the same time advancing her political career and expanding her political network.

Trump used his as a money pot while all of the places he has claimed to donate to say they never got any money. Only when called out for not giving money he promised to a Veteran's organization did he actually do it.

Hillary had a private email server, Trump defrauded thousands of people with his "University" and hundreds of small businesses which he defaulted on contracts because he could bleed people dry by stalling the civil suit process with his retained team of lawyers.

Hillary lied about having pneumonia, Trump lies about literally everything he opens his mouth about. Depending on the hour of the day, he will be building a wall and deporting 11 million people, or working on an amnesty program and saying he never said there'd actually be a wall. He will be punishing women for having an abortion or the doctors who perform them, or saying that's not the government's job. He'll be swearing to repeal Obergefell, celebrating NC anti-LBGT laws, or saying he's a friend of the LGBT community. He'll be the lead charge on the birther movement, or he'll be telling everyone that Hillary started it.

It's easy as shit to be a white, middle class guy and know that your life isn't going to change much with a Trump presidency. But part of being a humanist, if you are one, is thinking about all of the people whose lives could be a whole lot worse. As a black man in this country, I will gladly vote for Hillary if the other option is Donald Trump. It's not even close. Donald Trump nominating 2-3 Supreme Court Justices would be absolutely abhorrent.

Going to quote this just to keep it visible and because it is such a poignant rebuke of young, idealist white privilege.

[Whateverist]

If someone put a gun to my head and forced me to vote for one of the two, I would vote for Clinton and then go vomit. The only reason would be what Steel referred to earlier, the potential impact to my fellow citizens, but unlike others am not operating under the illusion that she will be a force for good; only that she is more likely than Trump not to make things worse domestically.

The SCOTUS concern that is often thrown around is a non-starter for me. People tend to forget that many Republican Senators are openly hostile to Trump and will not make anything easy for him. I also cringe at the possibility of five more Kagens and Sotomayors on the bench. I would rather see the likes of O'Connor, Kennedy and Souter; not a chance of this with Clinton.

Right now I'll stick with voting for Johnson, but there's a bit more than a month to change my mind. We'll see.

But surely you don't think she is crassly pursuing the office for her financial gain or for the mad rush of power like Trump?  I'd bet real money that in her mind she is doing it to help kids and the poor.  Not to say she hasn't become blasé about compromising with the status quo in order to win access to the power she thinks of as necessary to make a difference.  I wouldn't take the job they want for any amount of money no matter how wow they gilded the cage.  It would still be a nightmare.  Hopefully we'll eventually get electable candidates whose values are more overtly consistent with their actions.  In the meantime I remain genuinely grateful to get a candidate like Clinton.  She'll do.

[Minimalist]

People tend to forget that many Republican Senators are openly hostile to Trump and will not make anything easy for him.

The republicunts will sell out to him in a heart beat, man.

[Cato]

It's quite easy for me to conclude Clinton is in this for power and glory (not that this doesn't equally apply to Trump) considering the political machine that allowed her to carpetbag her way into the NY Senate seat. I also have a difficult time accepting Clinton being President Obama's independent choice for Secretary of State. I'll never understand why it has become a major political preoccupation for 16 years to ensure this person has an occupation commensurate with her exaggerated sense of self-worth.

She can't be trusted, neither can Trump. It is plainly down to the lesser of two evils. A shame really.

[Crossless2.0]

People tend to forget that many Republican Senators are openly hostile to Trump and will not make anything easy for him.

The republicunts will sell out to him in a heart beat, man.

Hell, if Trump plays his cards right, he could easily have the House and Senate Republicans over a barrel to the point where, even if they wanted to make things hard for him, they will have little choice but to play ball. That's not to say that I disagree with Min. They'll cave in a New York minute, feckless fucks that they are, because they fear the backlash from Trump's base more than they care to stand for anything that may still resemble GOP principles. The last thing they can afford if they want to retain their tarnished brand is to be seen doing anything as shocking and unacceptable as standing with congressional Democrats against Trump for the greater good.

They can bluff and bluster all they want, but they lost control of their party to a megalomaniac who doesn't give a damn about their precious party "principles". They have no real bargaining power, as they'll soon discover the first time they try to thwart our homegrown demagogue and he brands them to his supporters. After that, bye-bye Republican party.

Of course, I hope it never comes to that. We'll see in November. I don't see where Trump picks up the necessary electoral votes to get over the hump, but he's running against a candidate who seems to be doing her damnedest to keep this thing close.

[Jackie]

She's not doing her damndist to keep it close, the media isn't doing their job putting Trump's feat to the fire. They love a close race and they love a drama. News media lost it's objectivity in the 70s. Murrow and Cronkite would be ashamed of today's national "Journalists". Even Dan Rather has said they are not doing their jobs with confronting Trump. The good thing is that there still is enough local and on line media picking up the slack making it harder for them. There are still some national personalities not playing the ratings game, just not enough.

[Minimalist]

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