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RE: The unmoved mover
September 23, 2016 at 10:55 pm
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The other physicists didn't chime in on the physics here, so did I miss something? As usual, the reality is more complex than the first-order model. All two-body orbits are mutual orbits, where the two objects orbit around their barycenter, which is the center of mass of the two objects. For the case where one object is much larger than the other, the larger object will appear only to wobble, but it is affected by the smaller object.
But perhaps the OP was making an analogy to demonstrate "first cause" argument for God.
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RE: The unmoved mover
September 24, 2016 at 12:39 am
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(September 23, 2016 at 3:41 pm)fdesilva Wrote: (September 23, 2016 at 2:57 am)Rhythm Wrote: No, you don't. Perhaps taking the time to familiarize yourself with the term would be worthwhile?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmoved_mover
Yes the concept has ancient origins. What I am point out is anything that is an infinite source fits in with this concept. If you had an infinite source of energy you can keep taking as much energy out and it will still remain infinite. That is it remains unchanged.
Who cares how ancient it's origins are? What you pointed out, was that you didn't actually understand the term unmoved mover. "Anything that is an infinite source" is -also- not what the unmoved mover is. For fucks sake..the link was right there. I know you can read..............
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RE: The unmoved mover
September 24, 2016 at 12:41 am
(September 23, 2016 at 1:51 am)fdesilva Wrote: Consider jumping on a trampoline. You move a lot and so does the trampoline.
Jumping on the floor you move the floor not.
Consider the Moon going round the earth. The earth’s gravity keeps the moon going round while the moons gravity has noticeable effects on the earth like causing tides.
However take a man made satellite going round the earth. The earth is able to move it round and round, but the satellite will hardly ever effect the earth.
So if one body is of a much greater mass than another then you have an unmoved mover.
Suppose something was of infinite mass then anything of finite mass would be moved by it but itself will be unmoved. Okay... and by deduction the finite mass will have been moved to... an infinite... what? extent... degree?
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RE: The unmoved mover
September 24, 2016 at 2:55 am
I don't care about gods, even if you could whip one out right now and rub it in my face.
Why should I care?
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RE: The unmoved mover
September 24, 2016 at 2:56 am
(September 24, 2016 at 2:55 am)robvalue Wrote: I don't care about gods, even if you could whip one out right now and rub it in my face.
Why should I care?
Because you are one.
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RE: The unmoved mover
September 24, 2016 at 3:07 am
Oh yeah. I forget sometimes.
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RE: The unmoved mover
September 24, 2016 at 3:13 am
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(September 24, 2016 at 2:56 am)Arkilogue Wrote: Because you are one.
That's an awfully cheap re-imagining of the term.....and I like Rob.
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RE: The unmoved mover
September 24, 2016 at 3:16 am
(September 24, 2016 at 2:56 am)Arkilogue Wrote: (September 24, 2016 at 2:55 am)robvalue Wrote: I don't care about gods, even if you could whip one out right now and rub it in my face.
Why should I care?
Because you are one.
No, man. He's a mod.
With an M.
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RE: The unmoved mover
September 24, 2016 at 3:19 am
(September 24, 2016 at 3:13 am)Rhythm Wrote: (September 24, 2016 at 2:56 am)Arkilogue Wrote: Because you are one.
That's an awfully cheap re-imagining of the term.....and I like Rob.
I hope you're not still chewing on the knowledge of good and evil...because judgment comes with that one...lest ye be judged.
You are a unique reproductive expression of the Original God, so is everyone else...and we are doomed to perfection. 
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RE: The unmoved mover
September 24, 2016 at 3:20 am
(September 24, 2016 at 3:13 am)Rhythm Wrote: (September 24, 2016 at 2:56 am)Arkilogue Wrote: Because you are one.
That's an awfully cheap re-imagining of the term.....and I like Rob.
Thanks, I like you too 
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