A Loving God

[chimp3]

What does that advocate towards your claim that an ocean can be both solid and infinite?

There is nothing more solid than all available space filled with quarks.
All of relative void space-time is created at the inflation of a singularity that has no external border. It is infinite.

http://astronomy.stackexchange.com/quest...e-infinite

In the standard ΛCDM model of the Big Bang, the universe is infinite and has always been such. The Big Bang singularity happened everywhere, in the sense that far back enough in time, the density diverges to infinity at every place.

But this is just a particular model--it assumes that the universe if spatially flat and is globally homogeneous and isotropic. There are extended models in which it is not exactly flat, and so could be finite even if it is still homogeneous and isotropic (if the curvature is even slightly positive). And of course we don't actually know whether it is homogeneous and isotropic at scales much larger than we actually see. Some inflationary models imply that it isn't.

Are you suggesting that there were quarks before the Big Bang? Again, what does this pseudo-quantum woo woo have to do with the topic of a loving god? 2 separate questions.

[Pat Mustard]

Your claim is that an ocean can be both solid and infinite not mine!

An ocean of pure matter, not molecular water.

You do know that water is matter, correct? Or are you that scientifically illiterate that you don't understand basic terms taught to five year olds?

[chimp3]

An ocean of pure matter, not molecular water.

You do know that water is matter, correct? Or are you that scientifically illiterate that you don't understand basic terms taught to five year olds?

Comparing infinitely dense matter to an ocean is like comparing a lead paper weight to a glass of tea.

[Cyberman]

I don't need you to break it down for me. It is not that difficult to understand that it is nonsense.

Just because you cannot make sense of it, does not nonsense of it make.

No, it does that without help.

[Cyberman]

Again.. I am not having trouble understanding you. You made the claim that god is infinite and solid like an ocean! My questions are legitimate.

Like an ocean of pure quark matter, it's a Fermi liquid that is trillions of time more dense than uranium, more "solid" than a neutron star. The closest thing we have on earth of that state other than the ocean is magma which is liquid stone, still composed of atoms only 0.0000000001% matter taking up space

"God" as the state of existence prior to inflation would be an infinite ocean of pure matter taking up all available space. That is the absolute.

[robvalue]

Isn't it weird that God gives me a notion of what "love" is, and then acts in a way that makes me think he's completely the opposite of that; if he exists at all?

What's up with that? Did he give me faulty sensory equipment? All I see are people attributing warm fuzzy feelings and coincidences to their God of choice.

[Lek]

If our environment is the result of a loving God, what the hell would a non-loving God do to us? It's already made it almost 100% instantly deadly to us, and glued us to a rock, unable to explore the vast expanses without gargantuan effort and resources. Even then we can barely move.

You definitely see the glass as half empty (or totally empty), don't you? If you realized what life really is you would be much more optimistic. Atheists, with their worldview, seem to be living in a little confined box. Put all your tools and instruments down for a little while, tune in, and experience true life. No, I'm not talking drugs. I'm talking about relaxing and putting your trust in someone higher than yourself. Take a load off.

[Cyberman]

It's actually the other way around. By not shackling one's intellect and morality to what can be argued is a figment of the imagination, or indoctrination - or a divine puppeteer if you must - one's horizons are opened up at least as wide as one's dreams. It's truly exhilarating how liberating an experience it can be.

[Lek]

It's actually the other way around. By not shackling one's intellect and morality to what can be argued is a figment of the imagination, or indoctrination - or a divine puppeteer if you must - one's horizons are opened up at least as wide as one's dreams. It's truly exhilarating how liberating an experience it can be.

Then why are you all so uptight in this forum?

[Cyberman]

I'm actually not!

Not for religious reasons, at least. I still have my personal circumstances, which are my business and shared only by those I consider friends.

I'm anti-idiocy, and anti-bullshit, if that's what you mean.

"Uptight", my arse!