Supernatural Evidence?

[Faith No More]

I'm wondering why the contents of a book count as "supernatural evidence", whatever that's supposed to mean, in the first place.  Nothing supernatural about a book, last I checked.

I'm wondering why the bible always seems to have predicted something after we have discovered it.

[Simon Moon]

If an amputee ever re-grows a limb, it'll be thanks to scientists, not shamen.

If it's instantaneous, then it would violate the Conservation of Energy, which would make it a miracle.  No conservation laws mean no science, and hence, no naturalism.  In this sense, atheistic naturalism is completely refutable, at least in principle.  No empirical observation could ever refute deism, theism, pantheism, etc.

Even if we allow that an instantaneous regeneration of a limb is a supernatural event, that still would not point to a god being responsible. Let alone any specific god.

So, the question remains, why would an instantaneous regeneration of a limb point to a god?

[Asmodee]

If it's instantaneous, then it would violate the Conservation of Energy, which would make it a miracle.  No conservation laws mean no science, and hence, no naturalism.  In this sense, atheistic naturalism is completely refutable, at least in principle.  No empirical observation could ever refute deism, theism, pantheism, etc.

Even if we allow that an instantaneous regeneration of a limb is a supernatural event, that still would not point to a god being responsible. Let alone any specific god.

So, the question remains, why would an instantaneous regeneration of a limb point to a god?

You know what?  i would accept that.  If someone can cause a limb to spontaneously regenerate before my eyes I'll accept whatever explanation they give me as absolute truth.  Let's do this!

[Minimalist]

"That aside, however, and also granting the obvious difference of Job's deliverance by God himself and Tabu-utul-Bel's salvation through a necromancer, the most significant difference is in what the suffering consists of and the depiction of the deities."

It's the same idea, dummy.  Try to use your head a little bit.

Your precious OT is merely a rehash of ancient Sumerian folklore.  Deal with it.

[brewer]

I feel abandoned.

[Simon Moon]

Even if we allow that an instantaneous regeneration of a limb is a supernatural event, that still would not point to a god being responsible. Let alone any specific god.

So, the question remains, why would an instantaneous regeneration of a limb point to a god?

You know what?  i would accept that.  If someone can cause a limb to spontaneously regenerate before my eyes I'll accept whatever explanation they give me as absolute truth.  Let's do this!

Really?!

Have you ever heard the saying "correlation does not equal causation"?

So, you are discounting the possibility that, the person claiming that a god was responsible for the regeneration, was actually mistaking and it was: an advanced alien technology or an actual supernatural ability the person has but which is not the product of a god? How did you eliminate those possibilities?

[Mister Agenda]

Alright self-proclaimed athiests, this is where your integrity is put into question. As some of you will so valiantly declair nuetrality, the default position being a lack of belief in god, rather than being closed off to the possibility.

Taking that stance will leave you inlcined to be open to the supernatural, as the very idea of God implies supernatural. This isn't a 'GOTCHA' question, i have a following proposition.

So, are you open to supernatural evidence?

If ghosts were proven real, I would reconsider my position on other supernatural/paranormal claims in light of that. That said, there are atheists who believe in ghosts, but not in gods. If I were convinced in the existence of ghosts in a way that I considered valid but couldn't prove to others; say by personal experience that compelled belief; I would probably give other such claims a slightly higher probability of being true...but I wouldn't try to convince others my experience was real if I knew I couldn't back it up. It wouldn't be reasonable to expect rational people who haven't been similarly convinced to believe me, in fact, they shouldn't.

Here's the thing about ghosts and gods: the line between them is blurry. If I knew that ghosts of great power exist, that could be evidence for 'small g' gods. Say a ghost haunts a village. The locals make offerings to appease it and spend time worshipping it. It is capable of bestowing good or bad fortune and warning it against attacks and disasters. How would it not be a 'small g god'?

[Asmodee]

You know what?  i would accept that.  If someone can cause a limb to spontaneously regenerate before my eyes I'll accept whatever explanation they give me as absolute truth.  Let's do this!

Really?!

Have you ever heard the saying "correlation does not equal causation"?

So, you are discounting the possibility that, the person claiming that a god was responsible for the regeneration, was actually mistaking and it was: an advanced alien technology or an actual supernatural ability the person has but which is not the product of a god? How did you eliminate those possibilities?

I'm okay with taking that chance given that the likelihood of it happening is about as close to zero as it gets.  Yeah, it might be something else, but if you do it then I'll drive you from hospital to hospital, war zone to war zone preaching the glory of Jesus Christ and healing the sick.  Personally, I think it would be worth taking that particular bullet.

[Mister Agenda]

Proposition 1. Job 38:16
"Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?
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Discovered 1977
http://www.waterencyclopedia.com/Ge-Hy/H...Floor.html

NOTICE: Lateral moves, ad hominums, and other evasions will not be noticed. Adress the evidence, and only the evidence presented.

You're kidding, right?

it's equally as valid as people saying the Koran is true because there's a verse about Allah spreading out the heavens and that means the Koran predicted the discovery that the universe is expanding. Are you ready to convert to Islam now?

[Mister Agenda]

You think this passage is irelevent to the topic of sea springs, when they both share the same key word? Wrong.

I think ancient man was perfectly capable of thinking that since there are springs on land, they're in the ocean too. I'm not seeing anything miraculous or prophetic here.

It would be easy for an omniscient being to put details in a book that could neither be known nor guessed at without millennia of science leading up to it. This is not an example of anything close to that.