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Supernatural Evidence?
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RE: Supernatural Evidence?
October 31, 2016 at 12:39 pm (This post was last modified: October 31, 2016 at 12:42 pm by Huggy Bear.)
(October 31, 2016 at 12:26 pm)Mr Greene Wrote: So the Apocalypse isn't the Apocalypse?

Not in the sense you think it means.

Apocalypse simply means lifting of the veil, or to reveal, hence why the book of the Apocalypse is more commonly known as Revelation.
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RE: Supernatural Evidence?
October 31, 2016 at 1:08 pm
So creation has been corrupted, shouldn't an omniscient being have seen that coming?
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RE: Supernatural Evidence?
October 31, 2016 at 1:23 pm
Look either one has free will or they do not.

Of course God saw it coming, if he was to give man it's own will, then he would have to accept the possibility that man's will would not always operate according to his will.
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RE: Supernatural Evidence?
October 31, 2016 at 1:25 pm
Ah so evil is just free will, so Satan doesn't exist.
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RE: Supernatural Evidence?
October 31, 2016 at 1:42 pm
(October 31, 2016 at 1:25 pm)Mr Greene Wrote: Ah so evil is just free will, so Satan doesn't exist.

Is that really the conclusion you came up with?
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#156
RE: Supernatural Evidence?
October 31, 2016 at 1:45 pm
(October 31, 2016 at 1:23 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Look either one has free will or they do not.

Will free from what?
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RE: Supernatural Evidence?
October 31, 2016 at 1:48 pm
If evil is merely a facet of free-will then Satan is surplus to requirements.
Also means that Revelation must end with a planet full of automatons or your God has achieved nothing by the exercise, see Noah.
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RE: Supernatural Evidence?
October 31, 2016 at 1:53 pm (This post was last modified: October 31, 2016 at 1:54 pm by Huggy Bear.)
(October 31, 2016 at 1:45 pm)Mathilda Wrote:
(October 31, 2016 at 1:23 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Look either one has free will or they do not.

Will free from what?
Free from the will of God.
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RE: Supernatural Evidence?
October 31, 2016 at 2:11 pm
(October 31, 2016 at 1:48 pm)Mr Greene Wrote: If evil is merely a facet of free-will then Satan is surplus to requirements.
Also means that Revelation must end with a planet full of automatons or your God has achieved nothing by the exercise, see Noah.

Not sure what you're trying to say in your first statement.

As for the second statement, is a child an automaton? We recognize children as innocent, meaning they have no malicious intent, and except you return to that same innocence, you cannot enter into the kingdom.

So no, not a planet of automatons, more like a planet of children.
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RE: Supernatural Evidence?
October 31, 2016 at 2:26 pm
Except that in the Abrahamics a child is not innocent, they are judged guilty of sin from the moment of birth.
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