Trump is president; Who is to blame?

[Neo-Scholastic]

In my opinion Hillary was held to an almost insurmountable set of standards by friend and foe.  

I seriously doubt the Republican party would have nominated someone under FBI investigation. In the past, it seems that when suspected of scandal or financial improprieties Republicans tend to purge whereas Democrats tend to defend. FWIW

There is also the case of Romney. Compared to most politicians, he was a boy scout. I agree with Victor Hanson who wrote today...

by November 2012 when he lost, he [Romney] had been reduced to a bullying hazer in his teen-age years, a vulture capitalist, a heartless plutocrat who was rude to his garbage man, tortured dogs, had an elevator in his house, and provided horses and stables to his aristocratic wife. All were either lies or exaggerations or irrelevant and all insidiously cemented the picture of the gentlemanly Romney as a preppie, out-of-touch, old white-guy snob, and gratuitously cruel to the less fortunate.

By comparison, Clinton got off easy and was treated with kid-gloves.

[vorlon13]

Events proceed from REALITY.

Hillary's bid for the presidency died of ten thousand self inflicted paper cuts.


A literal purge of the DNC is job 1. It has to be rebuilt from the ground up, and with fresh faces, and no more of this business as usual bullshit. Not a particle of blame needs to be wasted on Trump or his supporters, the race was ALWAYS Hillary's to lose, and she did precisely that. We can't afford to spend resources on undermining Trump, the 800 pound gorilla in the room is a corrupt and 'crooked' party structure, and it's going to take all our efforts to fix it.

Trump's function now is to motivate those on the left to clean up their act, and to do it expeditiously, chuck the back room dirty dealing, nip fatally flawed candidates in the bud and allow the purification of sunlight, so to speak, to disinfect all the disease and filth and scum out of the party.

Message received, America, we hear you.

[Kosh]

In my opinion Hillary was held to an almost insurmountable set of standards by friend and foe.  

I seriously doubt the Republican party would have nominated someone under FBI investigation. In the past, it seems that when suspected of scandal or financial improprieties Republicans tend to purge whereas Democrats tend to defend. FWIW

There is also the case of Romney. Compared to most politicians, he was a boy scout. I agree with Victor Hanson who wrote today...

by November 2012 when he lost, he [Romney] had been reduced to a bullying hazer in his teen-age years, a vulture capitalist, a heartless plutocrat who was rude to his garbage man, tortured dogs, had an elevator in his house, and provided horses and stables to his aristocratic wife. All were either lies or exaggerations or irrelevant and all insidiously cemented the picture of the gentlemanly Romney as a preppie, out-of-touch, old white-guy snob, and gratuitously cruel to the less fortunate.

By comparison, Clinton got off easy and was treated with kid-gloves.

That description of Romney is pretty good. Another rich taker putting the tax burden on the middle class, and adding nothing of value to society. Obvoisly he wasn't breaking the letter of the law, but most people saw him for what he was.

This time we got much much worse, but nobody cared. At least Romney paid some taxes so he's a stellar citizen compared to Drumph.

[Kingpin]

Events proceed from REALITY.

Hillary's bid for the presidency died of ten thousand self inflicted paper cuts.


A literal purge of the DNC is job 1.  It has to be rebuilt from the ground up, and with fresh faces, and no more of this business as usual bullshit. Not a particle of blame needs to be wasted on Trump or his supporters, the race was ALWAYS Hillary's to lose, and she did precisely that.  We can't afford to spend resources on undermining Trump, the 800 pound gorilla in the room is a corrupt and 'crooked' party structure, and it's going to take all our efforts to fix it.

Trump's function now is to motivate those on the left to clean up their act, and to do it expeditiously, chuck the back room dirty dealing, nip fatally flawed candidates in the bud and allow the purification of sunlight, so to speak, to disinfect all the disease and filth and scum out of the party.

Message received, America, we hear you.

Ironically this is true of BOTH parties.  I think this in large part is the message that the American people sent.  The GOP needs to equally clean up its act and purge, because Americans finally gave the finger to both parties.

[vorlon13]

That Trump is a poison pill, willingly swallowed by the pubs isn't my problem or concern now. The DNC needs us to focus on excising their taint and decay.

[Excited Penguin]

It's the bp of the US median household income Neo.  Anyone making more than that is making more than most.  We're the high earners, in a low earning country.

What's BP? 

This day has been rough enough without a fresh layer of shit-glaze from Drich. I'll stick him on ignore for now.

I respect his opinion, if no one else. The rest of you cunts can truly go fuck yourselves. 

 He has quite a few good points in there. The liberal narrative is fucking embarrassing, for example. And he did point out some logical errors in others' posts. Doesn't mean I agree with the whole post, but I think this kind of reaction is not unlike officially censoring free speech , or its potential for effectiveness, anyway. It's quite a bit more powerful than that, actually, and far more dangerous as a result.  It's almost like you people are scared that unless you take every chance to attack him on principle his opinions will gain traction here, or,  worse, persuade you, yourselves.

This is, at its core,  nothing but dogma at work in disguise. It's no worse than what the "others" do, only this side seems to be so much better at it, which is, again , the more reason to be warier about it. 

I very highly dislike abaris' and Ham's posts lately. I think one is far too simplistic and one-minded and the other seems a little too inauthentic for me to swallow. Still, you don't see me trumpeting my disdain for them after every post of theirs that I sift through. How unproductive would that be? And it's not just him. I see bad in every single one of you. And that's completely normal.  But I also seek out the good. As should the rest of you. 

I can think of at least one person I am similarly unforgiving of, but unless Drich has called for the genocide of a whole people, and even then, do try and keep the negative to yourself, or be prepared to be treated in  the same way. By me, if by no one else. 

I have my own opinions. And I could, would and probably will expound on what I've said here if I feel like no one got my message. That's the beauty of it. That I can do it. Don't try and destroy that practice. Don't overreach yourselves for such a measly reason as a difference of opinion. Don't further encourage the group think already firmly established on this forum. It is ruining it as it ruins everything else in life. 

If you think this is an overreaction, think no further, but please acknowledge the significance of the kudos the post I'm replying to got and factor that in to my response here first. 

[FatAndFaithless]

Is this part of the new-beginning Excited Penguin 6th time's a charm?

The rest of you cunts can truly go fuck yourselves.

That sounds about right.

[Whateverist]

This day has been rough enough without a fresh layer of shit-glaze from Drich. I'll stick him on ignore for now.

I respect his opinion, if no one else. The rest of you cunts can truly go fuck yourselves. 

[FatAndFaithless]

Because me not being in the mood for Drich's shit is not unlike censoring free speech. Yup.

[Excited Penguin]

Right, only address that part of my post and remove it from context for effect.  Typical bullshit I was just talking about. 

The insult was for those of you that dished out similar stuff to Drich or anyone else for expressing their opinions. If there are any non-offending saints here, I'm sure their saintly nature will preclude them from taking offense at what I said anyway. 

Also, fuck you for attacking my character instead of my arguments. You know perfectly well what you're doing. You're engaging in character assassination and you don't have qualms about playing it dirty, either. 

The way you people are setting up this place opens you up for having bullshit shoved down your throats by a willing and intelligent enough agent. Instead of truly allowing for a free flow of ideas, you are covertly only accepting some narratives and propping up some posters for espousing them most forcibly and unapologetically. Not unlike what happened with Trump just now. Only this is a more subtle kind of demagoguery you're opening yourselves up to. 

But pay me no mind. I'm just EP. I'm certainly wrong. Let's focus on that.