Genders?

[Aegon]

I think these new genders and gender identities are total bullshit. That's because all gender identity is total bullshit. Speaking from an American perspective (though this could apply elsewhere), gender and sexuality identities became a significant social construct only after World War II because the nuclear family model had no room for those uninterested in a wife and 2.5 children and a levittown. Not to say that these constructs didn't exist before the 1950s; they really started at the turn of the 20th century with Freud and other academics attempting to categorize and analyze everybody. But in the 1880s and earlier, gender and sexuality had no concrete social norm like it does today. But everybody has trouble believing this because the generation that grew up without these constructs is long dead. I recommend George Chauncey's Gay New York and Foucault's History of Sexuality to read up on this phenomena.

So yeah, I believe that the various gender identities are a natural byproduct of forcing people into certain identities. Nobody ever identified themselves as their gender before World War I, only their sex. Now everybody does. Weird "fake" genders is the step we take before we finally realize we shouldn't be forcing people into genders at all. It'll take some time.

[Chad32]

All I know is that if people are allowed to express themselves in ways that aren't hurting people, then they lead happier lives. And when people are pushed down for being different, sometimes they'd rather commit suicide than continue living like that. So let people be who and what they want to be. As long as they aren't hurting others by doing it.

[Chad32]

All I know is that if people are allowed to express themselves in ways that aren't hurting people, then they lead happier lives. And when people are pushed down for being different, sometimes they'd rather commit suicide than continue living like that. So let people be who and what they want to be. As long as they aren't hurting others by doing it.

[abaris]

All I know is that if people are allowed to express themselves in ways that aren't hurting people, then they lead happier lives. And when people are pushed down for being different, sometimes they'd rather commit suicide than continue living like that. So let people be who and what they want to be. As long as they aren't hurting others by doing it.

Most of all it's none of anyone's business how people want to live their lives.

[Edwardo Piet]

@ Vic

I'm sorry to hear that you're not okay. I hope you feel better soon.

And, oh absolutely. Gender =/= sex but nor is it a social construct. Like there are transwomen and transmen whose neurology in their brains actually matches the sex they identify as. So gender identity matches the actual neurological gender. People identify with the experience of gender, indeed.

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[Iroscato]

Fuck, I dunno. Way I see it, sex is the hardware, gender is the software. So if people identify as man, woman, genderfluid, whatever, good for them. I only have so much rage to direct at the world and gender issues don't make the cut as far as I'm concerned.

[Edwardo Piet]

I suffer from Use/Mention distinction O.C.D. so I don't understand any words mentioned without quote marks.

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