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RE: ☢The Theistic Response➼ to Atheists saying, "It Doesn't mean God Did it"
November 19, 2016 at 5:11 pm
(November 19, 2016 at 3:31 pm)The Joker Wrote: (November 19, 2016 at 3:17 pm)Opoponax Wrote: 1. There is no objective morality. Life isn't that simple and neither are people. What may be "moral" in one situation, society, culture, job, family, marriage, etc. may immoral in another. Please engage your own imagination to understand how this applies to reality.
2. The way an argument first works is that the person making the claim has the duty to provide the evidence for it. "Evolutionists," so to speak, have been doing this nearly a century and a half now. If you want to do the work to understand it, the information is readily available to you. That is, science has done the work of providing evidence for its claims.
3. Returning to your question about the right to question certain behaviors as moral or immoral, all that's required is for one to value human life. If one values human life, then one understands why the Nazis were so awful. In the same vein, if one values human life, one can see why Yahweh is so awful for wiping out every man, woman, and child on the planet with the exception of Noah and his immediate family. And it isn't a long trip from there to see that Yaweh doesn't much value human life (I'll eschew the little detail about the masses in Hell burning forever for the sake of brevity), and is in fact scornful of it. Therefore, if one values human life the God of the Bible is probably the very worst example to follow, given that he's prone to wiping out entire planets full of humans.
I don't need the threat of permanent torture to keep me from doing cruel and unlawful things to other people. Do you?
You said, "all that's required is for one to value human life".
If you say that reducing harm is a valid standard because that is what people want, then how are you not committing the logical fallacy of begging the question by saying that what people want is what makes something morally right? If reducing overall harm is the standard of morality, then should a nation that is being attacked by another nation not practice self-defense since by defending itself it would increase overall harm to both nations?If you say that the standard of morality you use is neither good or bad but just something that people agree to, then how can it be a standard of morality since morality deals with what is good and bad?
Ugh.
There was nothing difficult to understand about valuing human life.
I said nothing about the following:
Reducing harm
Geopolitical conflict
Anything being neither good or bad
Anything people agreeing to
So quit making up shit you wish was said and allow your brain to shift out of first gear.
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RE: ☢The Theistic Response➼ to Atheists saying, "It Doesn't mean God Did it"
November 19, 2016 at 5:13 pm
(November 19, 2016 at 5:09 pm)The Joker Wrote: (November 19, 2016 at 5:04 pm)houseofcantor Wrote: I assume that's the point you're trying to make, and no. Ain't watching no Kent Hovind vid. Of course he thinks it's stupid, he has never evolved. 
Since we started with finches and the finches stayed finches, isn’t this just an example of variety within a kind?
What is?
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RE: ☢The Theistic Response➼ to Atheists saying, "It Doesn't mean God Did it"
November 19, 2016 at 5:15 pm
(November 19, 2016 at 5:09 pm)The Joker Wrote: (November 19, 2016 at 5:04 pm)houseofcantor Wrote: I assume that's the point you're trying to make, and no. Ain't watching no Kent Hovind vid. Of course he thinks it's stupid, he has never evolved.
Since we started with finches and the finches stayed finches, isn’t this just an example of variety within a kind?
We did? What's a kind?
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RE: ☢The Theistic Response➼ to Atheists saying, "It Doesn't mean God Did it"
November 19, 2016 at 5:24 pm
LOL @ Hovind being presented as an example of something not stupid.
Let's dig up that "doctoral dissertation" for some yuks.
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RE: ☢The Theistic Response➼ to Atheists saying, "It Doesn't mean God Did it"
November 19, 2016 at 5:25 pm
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(November 19, 2016 at 5:15 pm)houseofcantor Wrote: (November 19, 2016 at 5:09 pm)The Joker Wrote: Since we started with finches and the finches stayed finches, isn’t this just an example of variety within a kind?
We did? What's a kind?
A kind means the same type of animal that can procreate, in other words it isn't Cat+Dog or horse + cow but rather Cow+Cow, Dog+Dog-They are all the same kind.
Since we started with bacteria, and the bacteria that became resistant to the antibiotic remained bacteria, isn’t this just another example of variety within a kind?
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RE: ☢The Theistic Response➼ to Atheists saying, "It Doesn't mean God Did it"
November 19, 2016 at 5:30 pm
jesus christ these people make me want to shoot myself.
“Love is the only bow on Life’s dark cloud. It is the morning and the evening star. It shines upon the babe, and sheds its radiance on the quiet tomb. It is the mother of art, inspirer of poet, patriot and philosopher.
It is the air and light of every heart – builder of every home, kindler of every fire on every hearth. It was the first to dream of immortality. It fills the world with melody – for music is the voice of love.
Love is the magician, the enchanter, that changes worthless things to Joy, and makes royal kings and queens of common clay. It is the perfume of that wondrous flower, the heart, and without that sacred passion, that divine swoon, we are less than beasts; but with it, earth is heaven, and we are gods.” - Robert. G. Ingersoll
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RE: ☢The Theistic Response➼ to Atheists saying, "It Doesn't mean God Did it"
November 19, 2016 at 5:30 pm
(November 19, 2016 at 5:25 pm)The Joker Wrote: (November 19, 2016 at 5:15 pm)houseofcantor Wrote: We did? What's a kind?
A kind means the same type of animal that can procreate, in other words it isn't Cat+Dog or horse + cow but rather Cow+Cow, Dog+Dog-They are all the same kind.
Like bats and birds?
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RE: ☢The Theistic Response➼ to Atheists saying, "It Doesn't mean God Did it"
November 19, 2016 at 5:31 pm
(November 19, 2016 at 5:30 pm)operator Wrote: jesus christ these people make me want to shoot myself.
Just back away slowly. 
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RE: ☢The Theistic Response➼ to Atheists saying, "It Doesn't mean God Did it"
November 19, 2016 at 5:36 pm
(November 19, 2016 at 5:30 pm)operator Wrote: jesus christ these people make me want to shoot myself.
So you are a Theistic Satanist?
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RE: ☢The Theistic Response➼ to Atheists saying, "It Doesn't mean God Did it"
November 19, 2016 at 5:44 pm
(November 19, 2016 at 5:09 pm)The Joker Wrote: (November 19, 2016 at 5:04 pm)houseofcantor Wrote: I assume that's the point you're trying to make, and no. Ain't watching no Kent Hovind vid. Of course he thinks it's stupid, he has never evolved.
Since we started with finches and the finches stayed finches, isn’t this just an example of variety within a kind?
Well sort of, so long as the kind in question is the living kind. Sea squirts become vertebrates over eons. Sea vertebrates become vertebrates of the land, air and canopy somewhat more quickly. And those of the canopy become those typing on keyboards. One living kind becomes what we call another living kind by adapting to ever changing environmental conditions. Nothing teleological about it, could definitely have been otherwise but boy what a story. But stick to your bible stories if you prefer those to the book of life unfolding all around you.
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