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The Crusades: an ongoing psychological disorder?
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RE: The Crusades: an ongoing psychological disorder?
(4th December 2016, 18:49)AtlasS33 Wrote: Back in the past, the ruler of the Eastern Roman empire asked the European church in Rome for help against the Turks who were practicing the new religion called 'Islam'.
1st Crusade; 1095

Arrival of the Turks in Anatolia; 1241

Surely the Turks were still on the other side of Asia during the period you identify?

Also "Demonetization"? They had a barter system imposed?
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#12
RE: The Crusades: an ongoing psychological disorder?
(4th December 2016, 19:24)ApeNotKillApe Wrote:
(4th December 2016, 18:49)AtlasS33 Wrote: Why don't humans blame themselves for the destruction they cause?

Clearly because we're jealous of your faction being so blameless. Wink
I don't see a:
1-Single centralized country/alliance/republic...hell....kingdom/...the heck; CALIPHATE>< that gathers what you consider to be "my faction" under one banner.
2-Single leader/government that represents "my faction".

So a reality check; ape; we are cut down into so many tiny factions, some call themselves "Sunnies", others call themselves "Shia" -Not Shia Labouf-,...etc, and you have me, I have no faction I just love the Quran, and God is my lord.

So please..what the hell do you mean by "faction"??
You're the one having a "European Union", or "UN", or "Russia", or "China", or the "UK".

And no, ISIS is not my cup of tea. They suck. 

Chimp3

Atlas, reporting !

Life is a chain; Chimp3, history gives birth to the present. We are what we are, because of yesterday. Without understanding what was, it will be so hard -if not even impossible- to fix what became.

Minimalist

I can't argue about the pope's motives; aside from glory,wealth and faith it seems like a very legit planning, but I don't think knights were the main striking force, I guess they only served for short periods to strengthen their own ambitions in Europe, like Richard the Lionheart.

I have to feel sorry though for the peasant who went in the campaigns dreaming of "rivers of milk and honey", and for the Muslim who saw ranks of hungry Christian fanatics and greedy knights charging at him. 

Faith No More

When did I say that? I said -literally-:

http://atheistforums.org/thread-44721.html
http://atheistforums.org/thread-43178.html

Quote:Atlas said:
Some blame the Arab leaders; but they did exactly what the rest of the population does?

Did anybody blame themselves, for being sheep? 

When people believe in wrong religions; made of disgusting lies that literally turns masses of totally functional human beings into cows and sheep, then how can I ever be mad or sad? 

Right now, the Middle East is falling. The local warlords (arab leaders) are losing control; the people are facing on hell of a slap, I warned them but nobody listened, for years and years, I tried everything, talked to them nicely, called them names, showed them pictures of tortured people who fell victims to the local warlords, advised them, but I was cursed, called names, until I got sick. Physically and probably: mentally.

And so many other topics that I don't want to spam the present with. So here it is again, just for you:

-The citizens of the Middle East are so wrong in so many things. But I love to see the big picture: people in the Middle East don't have half of the knowledge any average westerner has access to; and all are living under dictatorships which were created, maintained and supported by the west.

That's the big picture.

Minimalist

It was an inside job. Saudies only acted as the perfect 'cover up', nothing is more convincing than a Saudi list of names, screaming with religious extremism that was created an sustained by a mad terrorist scholar -Mohammed Ibn Abd Al Wahhab-.

vorlon13

People do a lot of things then claim they did them for the sake of a higher good, track the terrorism, wars, killings, and you'll end up with a bunch of motives that begin with poverty and never end with tyranny and greed.


Summing it all up in Abraham or a holy book is just going in circles.

ApeNotKillApe

Here's  where I stand and ask for an evidence. The Quran forbids killing -unless if it's for self defense- and promises killers with hellfire; how does it stir terrorism? The bible is yet forbids killing, too.

It's historically proven that European knights were ordered by the Pope himself to ignore the Bible and kill at will in the lands of Muslims. Actually, religion -with both its versions:Christianity and Islam- had laws that were enough to cease murder and end the long war.

The cunning and manipulation of humans though never stopped to twist laws and create chaos out of nothing.

robvalue

I must agree with that. The followers will do the rest, either by doing or actually, by not doing. Not doing anything, is itself a very big thing. The masses though would not follow the words of every lunatic if they were more self aware. I can blame the environment; not having resources of education or poverty, but I can never neglect the contribution of masses to their own doom.





ReptilianPeon

On the stream of time, all the names are mere drops that let the events move; so many bad leaders came in the past that helped to shape the terrible reality we live now.

Mr Greene

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade

So....


Quote:It was launched on 27 November 1095 by Pope Urban II with the primary goal of responding to an appeal from Byzantine Emperor Alexios I Komnenos, who requested that western volunteers come to his aid and help to repel the invading Seljuk Turks from Anatolia. An additional goal soon became the principal objective—the Christian reconquest of the sacred city of Jerusalem and the Holy Land and the freeing of the  from Muslim rule

For the wrong word, sorry but English is my second language so I use a spelling correcter in my computer browser  Lightbulb Rolleyes
A very bad habit; I want to lose it, but I was never good at writing correct word. And also, I got used to this because of my field -I program stuff-.

Personally, I think I'm gonna score bad in the written section of any linguistic exam; though I will survive; I can speak good, understand the language greatly and also write hell lots of words !! thank God !

Now your turn: can you spell ولقد ذكرتك والرماح نواهل                                        مني وبيض الهند تقطر من دمي

Spell without copy/paste!
Just believe me. Your face, cloths, the way you speak, the money you have, the things you own, the car you drive, nothing of that defines you; only your actions do, only, that's your worth. Every action can be one of two: good or bad. That is you. Don't allow anybody to fool you into self-hating because of stupid standards, that sidetracks you from the main categories that define you.
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RE: The Crusades: an ongoing psychological disorder?
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RE: The Crusades: an ongoing psychological disorder?
Atlas just claimed that 9/11 was an inside job in a thread about the Crusades. So if I get this straight, we are expected to adhere to his interpretation of conflicts 1000 years ago, but he can't even get well known facts straight for a well documented event that happened just 15 years ago.
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RE: The Crusades: an ongoing psychological disorder?
(8th December 2016, 00:44)Cato Wrote: Atlas just claimed that 9/11 was an inside job in a thread about the Crusades. So if I get this straight, we are expected to adhere to his interpretation of conflicts 1000 years ago, but he can't even get well known facts straight for a well documented event that happened just 15 years ago.

Yes, because pictures of 9/11 and memes with a zeus-like figure started to spawn, duh !
Just believe me. Your face, cloths, the way you speak, the money you have, the things you own, the car you drive, nothing of that defines you; only your actions do, only, that's your worth. Every action can be one of two: good or bad. That is you. Don't allow anybody to fool you into self-hating because of stupid standards, that sidetracks you from the main categories that define you.
-AtlasS
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#16
RE: The Crusades: an ongoing psychological disorder?
For those unfortunates who are still living with the shadows of the Crusades - unable to come to terms with the barbarity of the Abrahamic religions - there is a solution. Drop the belief in your fictional sky daddy and see the world in a modern light. As an atheist I feel no affiliation with any believers iron age warfare rationales. Trying to avoid the crossfire and spread the good news that we are all related genetically is all I can contribute. There is no god, nothing to kill or die for.
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RE: The Crusades: an ongoing psychological disorder?



I am against the trend of wearing cod pieces. I mean whats with wearing a false penis and parading around your castle! if we are going to be angry about things that happened literally hundreds of years ago why stop at the crusades, why not be angry at the saxon deposition of the Celts, duplicitous bastards or the invasion of Britain by the normans, they come over here with their castles......
Opinions are like arseholes.
Once somethings firmly in there its very hard to dislodge.





 








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RE: The Crusades: an ongoing psychological disorder?
(7th December 2016, 22:00)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(4th December 2016, 19:24)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: Clearly because we're jealous of your faction being so blameless. Wink
I don't see a:
1-Single centralized country/alliance/republic...hell....kingdom/...the heck; CALIPHATE>< that gathers what you consider to be "my faction" under one banner.
2-Single leader/government that represents "my faction".

So a reality check; ape; we are cut down into so many tiny factions, some call themselves "Sunnies", others call themselves "Shia" -Not Shia Labouf-,...etc, and you have me, I have no faction I just love the Quran, and God is my lord.

So please..what the hell do you mean by "faction"??
You're the one having a "European Union", or "UN", or "Russia", or "China", or the "UK".

And no, ISIS is not my cup of tea. They suck.

I see, you inject nuance the moment it becomes convenient for you. You're allowed to say Europeans are this and Arabs were that but when I do the same, suddenly things aren't that simple.
Suddenly it's not fair to make a blanket judgement of entire communities, not because it's unreasonable to do so, but because it breaks your narrative.
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#19
RE: The Crusades: an ongoing psychological disorder?
Litmus test for peaceful religion: 

Stand in the middle of Mecca, Tel Aviv, or the Vatican and say out loud "I am an atheist!".  See what happens.
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RE: The Crusades: an ongoing psychological disorder?
(8th December 2016, 06:51)chimp3 Wrote: For those unfortunates who are still living with the shadows of the Crusades - unable to come to terms with the barbarity of the Abrahamic religions - there is a solution. Drop the belief in your fictional sky daddy and see the world in a modern light. As an atheist I feel no affiliation with any believers iron age warfare rationales. Trying to avoid the crossfire and spread the good news that we are all related genetically is all I can contribute. There is no god, nothing to kill or die for.

One thing you failed to see, is that most humans are not like you: they don't "think" about what to believe; rather they are born into it.

Christians are Christians because their daddy was, Sunnies are Sunnies because their mommy was, many of them drug themselves with social media, alcohol or cigarettes and social life, believing in the religion the society gives them since birth.

Atheists for example, are so little in number because of the above fact. People in general follow; they don't think. If they gave it a thought, our world would've been a different place; that's for sure.

The good aspects of modern life were mostly enforced only by the deterring power of nukes, along with the devastation of modern wars; still, you can see the empty minded humans shooting guns left and right, causing havoc as they go.

People don't think. I will not care about the history of the pope or Saladin that much, if it wasn't for the evidence of the havoc that once rang the bells of this region; you can even track down older wars -like the Sunni/Shia conflict, or the American white/black issues.

The modern world is at a post-world war state of silence. Einstein said it: 


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Just believe me. Your face, cloths, the way you speak, the money you have, the things you own, the car you drive, nothing of that defines you; only your actions do, only, that's your worth. Every action can be one of two: good or bad. That is you. Don't allow anybody to fool you into self-hating because of stupid standards, that sidetracks you from the main categories that define you.
-AtlasS
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