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RE: [split] The Newly Departed thread: announcements (departures)
December 11, 2016 at 8:55 pm
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Moderator Notice Thread has devolved far enough into the realm of flame warring. I suggest everyone take a break, go get some fresh air, and then walk away from it forever. If you can't walk away then remind yourself to cool down because we do have a rule against flaming.
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RE: [split] The Newly Departed thread: announcements (departures)
December 11, 2016 at 9:24 pm
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: [split] The Newly Departed thread: announcements (departures)
December 11, 2016 at 9:43 pm
(December 11, 2016 at 8:55 pm)Losty Wrote: Moderator Notice Thread has devolved far enough into the realm of flame warring. I suggest everyone take a break, go get some fresh air, and then walk away from it forever. If you can't walk away then remind yourself to cool down because we do have a rule against flaming.
No way should Losty have to referee this .. whatever it is.
Hammy, for whatever it might be worth, arguing with others about the way they're perceiving you is pretty pointless. The brute fact is they are perceiving you the way they do. They can't be mistaken about this. Doesn't mean you have to let their perceptions determine your self image. They can be wrong about who you are, but they can't be mistaken about how they are perceiving you. If their impressions are important to you you just have to acknowledge that even if they aren't what you'd like them to be, that is the way you're coming across. Just sit with that a while. No need to do anything at all.
For those upset with Hammy, care to say what about Ham's actions/words/behavior (?) you find upsetting? I assume you're not mad at him for being who he is. It did seem at one point as if he were asking for people's impressions. But if he is having a hard time dealing with those now maybe we should just let it go?
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RE: [split] The Newly Departed thread: announcements (departures)
December 11, 2016 at 9:50 pm
One of the keys of recovery for me is the understanding that I cannot control how others see me, and to just be the best person I can be ... And hold on to those who seem to see the real me.
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RE: [split] The Newly Departed thread: announcements (departures)
December 11, 2016 at 10:10 pm
(December 11, 2016 at 8:08 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: To everyone involved -- comes a time when we should realize we're shoveling good money in after bad.
Picking at wounds generally slows down healing.
I highly doubt Nymphadora or anyone here would have minded resetting this whole business, and I tried ending this chapter with love for all so he could come back and not feel uncomfortable. Instead he came back to pick at his own wounds, demonstrate that the water is not under the bridge, and inflict new wounds with a smile on his face. That shit doesn't fly, and you can't force it to.
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Albeit far from me to question the mods decision to speedbump this thread, I see no flaming, here, and simply feel censored at this point. Any reconciliation I could've acquired with Alisdair has now been completely halted because our discussion is now halted. He can neither respond to my question about where he apologized like he said he did, nor can I explain to him why a long term friendship of sorts, is over and where he went wrong. What's more--is that he reiterated his invitation for "honesty" from us. Any messages I sent him were constructive, not insulting. If he's honest with himself and us we might've had a progressive discussion. Instead we are met with censorship. Protecting a member from themselves through such means isn't going to remedy anything. Report me if you want, I've done nothing wrong.
Catholic Lady what exactly are you laughing about? Just curious.
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RE: [split] The Newly Departed thread: announcements (departures)
December 11, 2016 at 10:15 pm
(December 11, 2016 at 9:43 pm)Whateverist Wrote: No way should Losty have to referee this .. whatever it is.
Yah, especially when there are other things she could be... 'moderating...' *swivels hips suggestively*
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RE: [split] The Newly Departed thread: announcements (departures)
December 11, 2016 at 10:26 pm
Not laughing. Just posted a funny smiley to lighten the mood.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: [split] The Newly Departed thread: announcements (departures)
December 11, 2016 at 10:48 pm
Luckie, I'm not casting aspersions at anyone here -- lord knows I was digging in too, earlier in this discussion. I like everyone involved and find the disharmony here sad.
Again, not pointing fingers at anyone. I guess I just wish everyone could walk away rather than make things worse with continued bickering. Sorry if my interjection came off as sanctimonious or as an admonishment.
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RE: [split] The Newly Departed thread: announcements (departures)
December 11, 2016 at 10:55 pm
Well sometimes you have to wade through shit to get to a better spot. Hammie chose the wading through the shit path, so I was perfectly fine with going down that road with him, in search of reconciliation at the end of the day. Now, its just over. Discussion was shut down. No amends. No growth no progression, just.. nothing. Which I suspect, is most of Hams issues in life.
I'll be bowing out of this thread now. Never blocked someone before for real, guess there's always firsts.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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RE: [split] The Newly Departed thread: announcements (departures)
December 11, 2016 at 11:00 pm
Well, that's probably for the best. I don't care for the speed bump myself given the hammering I got a month ago saying something about some inflammatory posting going on, but Losty's got her job to do and doesn't need my back-seat driving.
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