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Milo Yiannopoulos; the man twitter banned got a book deal. Currently #2 on Amazon.
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RE: Milo Yiannopoulos; the man twitter banned got a book deal. Currently #2 on Amazon.
He's not a "nazi". There's an awful lot wrong with him and he deserves to be debated and argued against. But like I said if you're just going to get outraged every time mention of his name comes up then you're only proving what he says right.
"Adulthood is like looking both ways before you cross the road, and then getting hit by an airplane"  - sarcasm_only

"Ironically like the nativist far-Right, which despises multiculturalism, but benefits from its ideas of difference to scapegoat the other and to promote its own white identity politics; these postmodernists, leftists, feminists and liberals also use multiculturalism, to side with the oppressor, by demanding respect and tolerance for oppression characterised as 'difference', no matter how intolerable."
- Maryam Namazie

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#22
RE: Milo Yiannopoulos; the man twitter banned got a book deal. Currently #2 on Amazon.
(30th December 2016, 11:08)Divinity Wrote: Also Milo is a self-hating gay, so him being gay means literally less than nothing.  He's a fucking piece of shit much like the rest of the alt-right.

Is he? Can you provide a citation for that? Also, if he isn't a self-hating gay, what exactly does it mean? It must mean something to be gay if being a self-hating  gay means 'less.'
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#23
RE: Milo Yiannopoulos; the man twitter banned got a book deal. Currently #2 on Amazon.
(30th December 2016, 12:33)CanOfMountainDew Wrote:
(30th December 2016, 11:08)Divinity Wrote: Also Milo is a self-hating gay, so him being gay means literally less than nothing.  He's a fucking piece of shit much like the rest of the alt-right.

Is he? Can you provide a citation for that? Also, if he isn't a self-hating gay, what exactly does it mean? It must mean something to be gay if being a self-hating  gay means 'less.'

Yeah I raised my eyebrows at that too. This is a guy who openly makes reference to being gay non-stop* and has a very flamboyant persona, I don't see any self-hatred there at all.

*Which is a point I don't understand about him actually. Again it's something he's hypocritical about, on one hand he claims to hate all indentity politics and then on the other he near constantly makes reference to being gay, when it suits his argument or gives him status as a "minority" speaker.
"Adulthood is like looking both ways before you cross the road, and then getting hit by an airplane"  - sarcasm_only

"Ironically like the nativist far-Right, which despises multiculturalism, but benefits from its ideas of difference to scapegoat the other and to promote its own white identity politics; these postmodernists, leftists, feminists and liberals also use multiculturalism, to side with the oppressor, by demanding respect and tolerance for oppression characterised as 'difference', no matter how intolerable."
- Maryam Namazie

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#24
RE: Milo Yiannopoulos; the man twitter banned got a book deal. Currently #2 on Amazon.
(30th December 2016, 12:37)Regina Wrote:
(30th December 2016, 12:33)CanOfMountainDew Wrote: Is he? Can you provide a citation for that? Also, if he isn't a self-hating gay, what exactly does it mean? It must mean something to be gay if being a self-hating  gay means 'less.'

Yeah I raised my eyebrows at that too. This is a guy who openly makes reference to being gay non-stop* and has a very flamboyant persona, I don't see any self-hatred there at all.

*Which is a point I don't understand about him actually. Again it's something he's hypocritical about, on one hand he claims to hate all indentity politics and then on the other he near constantly makes reference to being gay, when it suits his argument or gives him status as a "minority" speaker.

He uses identity politics against identity politics. Platitudes that come to mind here are 'Beat fire with fire' or 'Give them a taste of their own medicine.'
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RE: Milo Yiannopoulos; the man twitter banned got a book deal. Currently #2 on Amazon.
(30th December 2016, 12:21)abaris Wrote:
(30th December 2016, 09:30)Tonus Wrote: It's what I think of as the "Howard Stern effect."

The difference being that it's always tongue in cheek with Stern. Others take themselves far to seriously and simply end up being massive assholes.

This is another problem with a lot of groups, but with the alt-right particularly: their style of, ahem, "discourse" allows them to maintain a sort of superposition of sincerity and facetiousness.  When it suits them (i.e. when it's monetarily or socially preferable) they say "of course I think muslims are sub-human, and Leslie Jones is a gorilla" but then when called out on it (i.e. if it threatens their income or social standing) they say "of course I don't really believe those things, I'm just saying it to show how hypocritical/thin-skinned/pathetic those SJWs are!"  So far it's been impossible, to extend the physics metaphor, to collapse this superposition on any meaningful scale, because of what I noted in my last post on this thread - you can find 100,000 people who "actually believe" what they say and you can find 100,000 people who "don't really believe" what they say, and if you say "the alt-right is just a bunch of trolls" the first group of 100,000 gets mad at you and spams you and such and if you say "the alt-right is racist" the second group of 100,000 gets mad at you and spams you and such.

(30th December 2016, 12:37)Regina Wrote:
(30th December 2016, 12:33)CanOfMountainDew Wrote: Is he? Can you provide a citation for that? Also, if he isn't a self-hating gay, what exactly does it mean? It must mean something to be gay if being a self-hating  gay means 'less.'

Yeah I raised my eyebrows at that too. This is a guy who openly makes reference to being gay non-stop* and has a very flamboyant persona, I don't see any self-hatred there at all.

*Which is a point I don't understand about him actually. Again it's something he's hypocritical about, on one hand he claims to hate all indentity politics and then on the other he near constantly makes reference to being gay, when it suits his argument or gives him status as a "minority" speaker.

Milo has stated, in an article titled "Why I'll Probably Never be a Parent": "I don’t hate myself and I don’t hate my sexuality. (Granted, I have a complicated relationship with the latter.) Nor do I hate other gay men. (Where would fat girls be without them?) But if my beliefs about raising kids get me branded a homophobic homo… well, so be it."  The beliefs he's referring to are that no sane person would ever choose to be gay, and that he would never raise a child in a gay household because it could even slightly influence the child to be gay, because "Who wouldn’t want to protect a child from a path that leads to such destructive self-loathing? …"

I don't think this is an utterly ridiculous stance (although I think he's being silly/short-sighted), although it was written back in 2011, back when he was saying that trolls should be better controlled online and that people worrying about things like video games were petty manchildren.  That is to say, back before he realized that saying things he doesn't actually believe in the most inflammatory manner possible could get him a ton of money.
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RE: Milo Yiannopoulos; the man twitter banned got a book deal. Currently #2 on Amazon.
(30th December 2016, 12:43)TheRealJoeFish Wrote:
(30th December 2016, 12:21)abaris Wrote: The difference being that it's always tongue in cheek with Stern. Others take themselves far to seriously and simply end up being massive assholes.

This is another problem with a lot of groups, but with the alt-right particularly: their style of, ahem, "discourse" allows them to maintain a sort of superposition of sincerity and facetiousness.  When it suits them (i.e. when it's monetarily or socially preferable) they say "of course I think muslims are sub-human, and Leslie Jones is a gorilla" but then when called out on it (i.e. if it threatens their income or social standing) they say "of course I don't really believe those things, I'm just saying it to show how hypocritical/thin-skinned/pathetic those SJWs are!"  So far it's been impossible, to extend the physics metaphor, to collapse this superposition on any meaningful scale, because of what I noted in my last post on this thread - you can find 100,000 people who "actually believe" what they say and you can find 100,000 people who "don't really believe" what they say, and if you say "the alt-right is just a bunch of trolls" the first group of 100,000 gets mad at you and spams you and such and if you say "the alt-right is racist" the second group of 100,000 gets mad at you and spams you and such.

(30th December 2016, 12:37)Regina Wrote: Yeah I raised my eyebrows at that too. This is a guy who openly makes reference to being gay non-stop* and has a very flamboyant persona, I don't see any self-hatred there at all.

*Which is a point I don't understand about him actually. Again it's something he's hypocritical about, on one hand he claims to hate all indentity politics and then on the other he near constantly makes reference to being gay, when it suits his argument or gives him status as a "minority" speaker.

Milo has stated, in an article titled "Why I'll Probably Never be a Parent": "I don’t hate myself and I don’t hate my sexuality. (Granted, I have a complicated relationship with the latter.) Nor do I hate other gay men. (Where would fat girls be without them?) But if my beliefs about raising kids get me branded a homophobic homo… well, so be it."  The beliefs he's referring to are that no sane person would ever choose to be gay, and that he would never raise a child in a gay household because it could even slightly influence the child to be gay, because "Who wouldn’t want to protect a child from a path that leads to such destructive self-loathing? …"

I don't think this is an utterly ridiculous stance (although I think he's being silly/short-sighted), although it was written back in 2011, back when he was saying that trolls should be better controlled online and that people worrying about things like video games were petty manchildren.  That is to say, back before he realized that saying things he doesn't actually believe in the most inflammatory manner possible could get him a ton of money.

"back when he was saying that trolls should be better controlled online"

I don't think that's so at odds with where he is now. He also said, immediately following that, that peoples real identity should be tied to online usership. So while he calls himself a troll, he also owns everything he says with his actual person. Certainly if people had to own the things they type and submit, people would find themselves receiving FAR less insults while online. People want to be vulgar, but they don't want to be responsible for it.
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RE: Milo Yiannopoulos; the man twitter banned got a book deal. Currently #2 on Amazon.
(30th December 2016, 12:43)TheRealJoeFish Wrote:
(30th December 2016, 12:37)Regina Wrote: Yeah I raised my eyebrows at that too. This is a guy who openly makes reference to being gay non-stop* and has a very flamboyant persona, I don't see any self-hatred there at all.

*Which is a point I don't understand about him actually. Again it's something he's hypocritical about, on one hand he claims to hate all indentity politics and then on the other he near constantly makes reference to being gay, when it suits his argument or gives him status as a "minority" speaker.

Milo has stated, in an article titled "Why I'll Probably Never be a Parent": "I don’t hate myself and I don’t hate my sexuality. (Granted, I have a complicated relationship with the latter.) Nor do I hate other gay men. (Where would fat girls be without them?) But if my beliefs about raising kids get me branded a homophobic homo… well, so be it."  The beliefs he's referring to are that no sane person would ever choose to be gay, and that he would never raise a child in a gay household because it could even slightly influence the child to be gay, because "Who wouldn’t want to protect a child from a path that leads to such destructive self-loathing? …"

I don't think this is an utterly ridiculous stance (although I think he's being silly/short-sighted), although it was written back in 2011, back when he was saying that trolls should be better controlled online and that people worrying about things like video games were petty manchildren.  That is to say, back before he realized that saying things he doesn't actually believe in the most inflammatory manner possible could get him a ton of money.

I agree with him, sorry if that offends some.

I've used that "no sane person would choose this" argument myself before in response to religious bigots... and it's true. My potential dating pool is tiny, I can't have kids with my potential life partner, some members of my family have been quite disapproving of me, and my very existence is illegal in several dozen countries... you don't choose this shit.

It's not "self-hate" to admit there are challenges (some down to others' bigotry, some unchangeable) that come with being gay. Yes I have come to completely accept and love myself as a gay person, I wouldn't change it now at this point in my life... I still wouldn't wish it on other people.

I've also said before that, while I completely support gay adoption, I have *questions* (not outright against it, just considerations) about surrogacy and sperm donorship in general, and the effect it might have on the child not knowing who their biological parents are. I don't think that's unreasonable.

I think these are legitimate viewpoints that some gay people think about, and we deserve to question this shit without being shot down as "self-haters" by the gay lobby, or worse, straight people who think they speak for us.
"Adulthood is like looking both ways before you cross the road, and then getting hit by an airplane"  - sarcasm_only

"Ironically like the nativist far-Right, which despises multiculturalism, but benefits from its ideas of difference to scapegoat the other and to promote its own white identity politics; these postmodernists, leftists, feminists and liberals also use multiculturalism, to side with the oppressor, by demanding respect and tolerance for oppression characterised as 'difference', no matter how intolerable."
- Maryam Namazie

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#28
RE: Milo Yiannopoulos; the man twitter banned got a book deal. Currently #2 on Amazon.
Milo has said that he'd love to be cured of his gayness. As if it were some sort of disease. If that's not self-hating, then I don't know what the fuck is. I find his opinions absolutely fucking worthless, much like the opinions of most Christians.
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#29
RE: Milo Yiannopoulos; the man twitter banned got a book deal. Currently #2 on Amazon.
(30th December 2016, 09:04)pool the great Wrote: This is incredible. I never expected such a huge response. Milo Yiannopoulos a gay conservative that previously got banned from Twitter now recieved a book deal and is apparently killing it. He will most likely carry his book to the #1 spot on Amazon.

He is a strong advocate against PC Culture and anti feminist. The man got banned from Twitter for allegedly harassing Leslie Jones. He is currently trending #1 on Twitter and Facebook.

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Lots of scum sucking pieces of shit out there, and nobody ever got poor underestimating their intelligence.
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#30
RE: Milo Yiannopoulos; the man twitter banned got a book deal. Currently #2 on Amazon.
Ok maybe it is, but that's for him to decide. If an adult gay person, who is not being pressured by anyone else, is saying they'd rather not be gay I really don't care.

Conversion therapy should be strongly discouraged (and illegal for minors) because it doesn't work and it's run by religious nutjob charlatans, but if an adult wants to entertain the thought and won't hear sense, let them live in their little delusion tbh... maybe they can educate us about why it's a bad idea once they're psychologically fucked.
"Adulthood is like looking both ways before you cross the road, and then getting hit by an airplane"  - sarcasm_only

"Ironically like the nativist far-Right, which despises multiculturalism, but benefits from its ideas of difference to scapegoat the other and to promote its own white identity politics; these postmodernists, leftists, feminists and liberals also use multiculturalism, to side with the oppressor, by demanding respect and tolerance for oppression characterised as 'difference', no matter how intolerable."
- Maryam Namazie

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