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January 17, 2017 at 12:20 pm
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Quote:The interesting question to me is how did the USA become so immune to pragmatism?
I blame jesus. Or rather the asinine willingness of people to listen to con artists who call themselves holy men.
Drumpf running his fucking mouth the other day about "his plan" somehow reminded me of this scene from "Sleeper."
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January 17, 2017 at 12:43 pm
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Here's the thing, I'm in no way supportive of our incoming President, but if he actually follows through on his promises I'll acknowledge it. If however he reneges on them I will call him on it.
Currently he has promised "insurance for all". I expect to see that. If not, everyone should shout and complain about it.
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RE: So when the GOP replaces the ACA with their own version will it "be the best ...
January 17, 2017 at 12:52 pm
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SNL nailed this one. Obamacare is a disaster, and republicans have a plan to replace it, it's called the "Affordable Care Act".
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RE: So when the GOP replaces the ACA with their own version will it "be the best ...
January 17, 2017 at 1:30 pm
(January 17, 2017 at 12:43 pm)Tiberius Wrote: If however he reneges on them I will call him on it.
Currently he has promised "insurance for all". I expect to see that.
Does anyone else wonder why we keep on lowering the bar of our expectations for the President Elect before he takes office?
Everything above presupposes he keeps his promises (at least for this one time).
It also ignores that the ACA/Obamacare is "insurance for everyone" through supporting the "everyone who cannot pay" via subsidies.
So if the function is:
T(ACA) -> ACA
Then it's not really honest to accept that "insurance for everyone" is a change for the better considering it will converge on the same kind of status quo that we have right now.
So ultimately we're looking at an interruption in vital services for a subset of the population for the same old thing (if we take the phrase "Insurance for everyone" at face value). That is a negative.
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January 17, 2017 at 1:38 pm
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(January 17, 2017 at 12:43 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Here's the thing, I'm in no way supportive of our incoming President, but if he actually follows through on his promises I'll acknowledge it. If however he reneges on them I will call him on it.
Currently he has promised "insurance for all". I expect to see that. If not, everyone should shout and complain about it.
No sooner had the ink dried on the Washington Post story of that then Drumpf's spokesman, Spicer, was out there "clarifying" what he meant.
In an interview Monday morning on the "Today" show, Trump's designated press secretary, Sean Spicer, said that Trump would achieve his goals through "marketplace solutions" and greater competition. That would "drive the cost down," he said.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/t...story.html
Um, "marketplace solutions" were what fucked us up in the first place.
Hmm.... timely release of this report.
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/bombshel...-disaster/
Quote:Bombshell federal report reveals 5 reasons the GOP’s Obamacare repeal bill would be a disaster
Quote:According to the Congressional Budget Office, the Republican-backed Restoring Americans’ Healthcare Freedom Reconciliation Act of 2015 — which passed a Senate vote in late 2015 but died due to President Obama’s veto — would drastically slash the number of Americans who have health insurance, while at the same time ensuring higher premiums and chaos in the insurance market.
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January 17, 2017 at 2:29 pm
(January 17, 2017 at 1:30 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: (January 17, 2017 at 12:43 pm)Tiberius Wrote: If however he reneges on them I will call him on it.
Currently he has promised "insurance for all". I expect to see that.
Does anyone else wonder why we keep on lowering the bar of our expectations for the President Elect before he takes office?
Everything above presupposes he keeps his promises (at least for this one time).
It also ignores that the ACA/Obamacare is "insurance for everyone" through supporting the "everyone who cannot pay" via subsidies.
So if the function is:
T(ACA) -> ACA
Then it's not really honest to accept that "insurance for everyone" is a change for the better considering it will converge on the same kind of status quo that we have right now.
So ultimately we're looking at an interruption in vital services for a subset of the population for the same old thing (if we take the phrase "Insurance for everyone" at face value). That is a negative.
I'm not presupposing anything; I just don't see the point in assuming that everything potentially good he says is a lie. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. We won't know until legislation is passed.
Also, the ACA is clearly not insurance for all as there are numerous stories of people who fall in the gap where they earn too much to get subsidies, but not enough to afford the premiums. Whether or not that's Obama's fault or not is irrelevant; the fact is that there are people in America who cannot afford the insurance premiums. That's a problem that needs to be fixed. If Trump's plan works, I'll gladly admit it.
If there's just a single person who can't get health insurance with his plan, I'll gladly call him on it.
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January 17, 2017 at 8:28 pm
This opinion peice from the Washington post has already got me laughing about what Trump is doing to the Republicans over health care.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plu...d80d8493ef
Quote:I just don't see the point in assuming that everything potentially good he says is a lie.
Since he is a pathological liar it's hard not to assume he isn't lying. He has by far the worst record of lying ever on politifact.
Lies like defrauding people with Trump university, or lying about donating money to veterans, lying about the money his father loaned him, etc... ad infinitum
He lies to gain advantage, he lies needlessly, he lies to embellish his record, he lies to feed his ego, he lies to hurt those he dislikes and so on. In all the years I've followed politics I've never seen anyone anywhere lie so often and so openly without a care or concern about the truth of anything.
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January 18, 2017 at 12:55 am
(January 17, 2017 at 12:20 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:The interesting question to me is how did the USA become so immune to pragmatism?
I blame jesus. I think you may be onto something.
The USA has been an outlier when it comes to religiosity compared to other first world nations. Is it strange that a people so willing to accept myth in one part of their lives also accept myth when it comes to economics? A few years back I was reading about some conservative wack job who was convinced that Adam Smiths "invisible hand of the market" was actually gods hand.
Market fundamentalists invoke faith all the time so yah, I guess Jesus is to blame in a way.
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January 18, 2017 at 12:57 am
The free market will answer all of our healthcare prayers...it's just that sometimes, the answer is no. 
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January 18, 2017 at 1:37 am
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(January 18, 2017 at 12:55 am)Crunchy Wrote: (January 17, 2017 at 12:20 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I blame jesus. I think you may be onto something.
The USA has been an outlier when it comes to religiosity compared to other first world nations. Is it strange that a people so willing to accept myth in one part of their lives also accept myth when it comes to economics? A few years back I was reading about some conservative wack job who was convinced that Adam Smiths "invisible hand of the market" was actually gods hand.
Market fundamentalists invoke faith all the time so yah, I guess Jesus is to blame in a way.
The problem with the 'Murrican electorate is that they want everything they see but they don't want to pay for it.
TheOnion but pretty close to reality.
http://www.theonion.com/article/republic...etai-55069
Quote:Republicans Vow Not To Repeal Obamacare Without Detailed Plan For Disposing Of Patients’ Disease-Ridden Corpses
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