Why Anarcho-Capitalism Is a Canard and Its Implications for Atheism

[log]

It's recorded inerrantly in Holy Scripture.

Well, just as an aside, the existence of variant texts is inexplicable from the perspective of Biblical inerrancy.  If I can misquote scripture and write down my misquote, what prevents anyone before me from having done the same?

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No holy text says that.  The argument from authority is everywhere always a logical fallacy anyways.

However, if you'd like to propose an alternative foundation for social order other than private property, I would like to hear it.

Why do I need an alternative to disbelieve you? You're proposing that atheism requires private property. That's a claim. Where are you getting that from?

Did I say atheism requires private property?  I thought I said atheism seems to have only that option.  That's a claim based on my personal experience - y'all don't look like you have other options.  As I said, I would welcome a counterexample, if you have one.

[vorlon13]

not quite

Try again

(hint: John)

[log]

not quite

Try again

(hint: John)

I'm not sure what you're getting at.

[brewer]

Still missing it. What does atheism have to do with private property? And how is this different from christens and private property?

Atheism has not, to my knowledge, departed from private property as the foundation for social order among humans.  Private property is an attempt at solving the problem of resource scarcity coupled with fear.

I'm not saying it is different from Christians, so-called, and private property.  That, however, is a subject for another thread.

So this really has nothing specific to do with atheism or christism but capitalist society structure in general?

If correct, why the "Atheism" click bait?

[log]

Atheism has not, to my knowledge, departed from private property as the foundation for social order among humans.  Private property is an attempt at solving the problem of resource scarcity coupled with fear.

I'm not saying it is different from Christians, so-called, and private property.  That, however, is a subject for another thread.

So this really has nothing specific to do with atheism or christism but capitalist society structure in general?

If correct, why the "Atheism" click bait?

Christians have an alternative - which they don't like.  Atheists, however, don't look to me like they have an alternative.  I'm open to any counterexamples of a social foundation that atheists appeal to which cannot be reduced, in the end, to resource monopolization based on threats of force.

[Jesster]

Did I say atheism requires private property?  I thought I said atheism seems to have only that option.  That's a claim based on my personal experience - y'all don't look like you have other options.  As I said, I would welcome a counterexample, if you have one.

I'm not seeing the difference between those two statements. Fine, I will use your lingo because I couldn't care less. Why do you think the only option for atheists is private property? Is life without private property only possible with the belief in a god? This is a very odd claim.

And please stop asking for a counter-example. You carry the burden of proof when you make a claim. I am not even claiming the opposite. I am questioning your claim.

[chimp3]

I like owning private property because I can post a sign out front that says " No Bible Thumpers Allowed!".

Precisely.  And you can back that up with force - and, without the implicit threat of force, the sign would be meaningless.

Without the notion of private property ( including your own body) is there an argument for self defence? An argument against rape? Is there an argument for "Thou shall not steal"?

[log]

Did I say atheism requires private property?  I thought I said atheism seems to have only that option.  That's a claim based on my personal experience - y'all don't look like you have other options.  As I said, I would welcome a counterexample, if you have one.

I'm not seeing the difference between those two statements. Fine, I will use your lingo because I couldn't care less. Why do you think the only option for atheists is private property? Is life without private property only possible with the belief in a god? This is a very odd claim.

And please stop asking for a counter-example. You carry the burden of proof when you make a claim. I am not even claiming the opposite. I am questioning your claim.

I have never seen atheists appeal to any other foundation for a social order other than private property.
When I ask for a counterexample, I am rebuffed.
The inference to the best explanation is that there is no other foundation that atheists can appeal to.

This is the same kind of argument as:
All the swans I have ever seen have been white.
Nobody has claimed to have seen a non-white swan.
The inference to the best explanation is that all swans are white.

As this is an inference to the best explanation based on the evidence I have before me, it is necessarily tentative and it can be overturned by a counterexample.

[brewer]

So this really has nothing specific to do with atheism or christism but capitalist society structure in general?

If correct, why the "Atheism" click bait?

Christians have an alternative - which they don't like.  Atheists, however, don't look to me like they have an alternative.  I'm open to any counterexamples of a social foundation that atheists appeal to which cannot be reduced, in the end, to resource monopolization based on threats of force.

And what is the christian alternative that is not available to atheists?

[vorlon13]

Lamb of God thing, surely you've heard the phrase.

It stems from the gospel of John where Christ is crucified on Thursday, the same day the lambs are slaughtered for the Passover feast which is the next day, Friday.

God was illustrating the sacrifice of His Son by invoking the lambs being ritually slaughtered on the day before Passover.

After all, Jesus is the Jewish Messiah, sent by the Jewish God to the Jewish people in fulfillment of Jewish Law.