Hatred

[Harris]

So your article is hatred exists and only Jews do it?

Every culture and every religion has good and bad people. Neither all Muslims are angles nor all Jews are devils. My focus is on Judaism because it officially leads its followers to perversion. I have read 10 different scriptures and none encourages mischief. Talmud is the only book that not only promotes psychological hedonism but under its pretext foster abominable practices.
 
Read the following quotes, see for yourself what is the power of psychological hedonism. If you feel any disgust against these quotes, then let me know whether your hate falls in the scope of psychological hedonism or not.
 
“When a grown up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing, for when the girl is less than this [three years old], it is as if one puts the finger into the eye, tears come to the eye,…
 
[footnote]
(7) again and again but eyesight returns, so does virginity come back to the little girl under three years.”
Talmud. (1936). Kethuboth. Soncino Edition. Kethuboth 11b. p.58.
 
 
“If a Jew has coitus (sexual intercourse) with a Gentile woman, whether she be a child of three or an adult, whether married or unmarried, and even if she is a minor aged only nine years and one day — because he had willful coitus with her, she must be killed, and as is the case with a beast, because through her a Jew got into trouble.”
“Goy” Talmudic Encyclopedia as quoted by Shahak.
Shahak, I. (1994). Jewish History, Jewish Religion. 87.
 
 
“A maiden aged three years and one day may be acquired in marriage by coition.”
Talmud. (1935). Sanhedrin. 69b. p.469. &
Talmud. (1936). Yebamoth. Soncino Edition. 57b. p.386

[chimp3]

So, Islam is better because you can't marry a young girl until she is nine?

[Exian]

[ukatheist]

I've never read the Talmud, but if that's actually in there and not some crazy ass translation, then yeah, that's gross as hell man. But you're telling me you've read 10 religious texts (I think you mean different texts from different religions) and you haven't found anything perverse in any of them, except the Talmud?

He clearly hasn't read them. Googled the first quote and, in context, it is saying that if a child under three has been raped, and converts to judaism, then they are essentially treated as if they were a virgin, in terms of their marital value. It is not a permission or vindication of the abuser like Harris would have you believe.

That's not to say that the wider context isn't objectionable in terms of treating women as a possession, or why you would treat a child abuse victim aged 4 differently (although as I understand it from my brief google, age 3 is the minimum age when a girl can be 'betrothed', although the 'age of consent' is 9), but that isn't at all unique to Judaism's big heap of shit.

[Exian]

I've never read the Talmud, but if that's actually in there and not some crazy ass translation, then yeah, that's gross as hell man. But you're telling me you've read 10 religious texts (I think you mean different texts from different religions) and you haven't found anything perverse in any of them, except the Talmud?

He clearly hasn't read them. Googled the first quote and, in context, it is saying that if a child under three has been raped, and converts to judaism, then they are essentially treated as if they were a virgin, in terms of their marital value. It is not a permission or vindication of the abuser like Harris would have you believe.

That's not to say that the wider context isn't objectionable in terms of treating women as a possession, or why you would treat a child abuse victim aged 4 differently (although as I understand it from my brief google, age 3 is the minimum age when a girl can be 'betrothed', although the 'age of consent' is 9), but that isn't at all unique to Judaism's big heap of shit.

That's the scariest part of religious texts as far as I'm concerned. They don't come with instructions for interpretations. As easily as Harris used those out of context quotes as proof that Judaism officially perverts it's followers, another guy can do the same thing to justify pedophilia and gain a bunch of followers in the process. It doesn't matter how carefully the books are worded. I don't know Harris well, but from what I've picked up, he's a Muslim, so it's probably safe to assume he includes the Koran in those texts he has read that contain no mischief. And yet we have ISIS, Boko Haram, Al Qaeda, etc.

It's so clear that most religious texts were written over a long period of time and by the seat of their pants. As new problems arose, the texts were adjusted with new rules to account for them. The problem is new problems don't stop popping up as time goes on, and at a certain point the books become the static sacred word of god that are no longer allowed to be adjusted in the face of new problems. Meanwhile, language and culture continues to evolve. The only thing theists can do is interpret them as best they can, which leaves them vulnerable to whatever intention the interpreter has. Letting alone that the books don't need any help being despicable.

[PETE_ROSE]

Harris, please provide a two or three sentence summary for us.

[bennyboy]

So your article is hatred exists and only Jews do it?

Every culture and every religion has good and bad people. Neither all Muslims are angles nor all Jews are devils. My focus is on Judaism because it officially leads its followers to perversion. I have read 10 different scriptures and none encourages mischief. Talmud is the only book that not only promotes psychological hedonism but under its pretext foster abominable practices.
 

Judging a modern religion by the statements of 4000 year-old sand people doesn't make sense.  Anyway, do you think Islam is different?  Want to list the ages of all Muhammad's wives, or should I do it?

The question isn't what the books say, it's what the followers do.  And right now, I don't think you can argue that Islam is causing less harm in the world, or that Muslims harbor less hatred, than Jews.  Now, if you want to argue that western Christian nations are hate-fulled warmongers, you might make a reasonable case.

But let's face it.  Of the major religions, the territories held by muslims today are clearly the most oppressive and fucked-up.  You should judge a tree by the fruit it bears, and see that Islam is currently bearing rotten fruit.

[Harris]

[bennyboy]

10 seconds of google demonstrate pretty simply that the Quran is filled with errors-- for example, about the creation of the Universe. It also contains passages that go against the most fundamental principles of human goodness.

Anyway, you say the media is Jewish and that the Western world is a puppet for the Jews-- why then do these all-powerful Jews not have the power to stop you and a few hundred other lunatics from communicating on the internet? Why would they let you communicate with me, for example, given that I mostly believe the media and mostly think that you are full of shit?

You want a religion that works? SCIENCE- the religion of not-your-dumbass-fairytales. When the truth is worshipped instead of the superstitious fairy tales of ancient desert-dwellers, then humanity is on the path toward perfection. See, arguing whether Judaism or Islam is more fucked up is a waste of time for almost anyone born in this century or the last. The rest of us can agree that you're ALL deluded, and move on with the job of living life.

[Iroscato]