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WLC, Free Will, and God's divine foreknowledge
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RE: WLC, Free Will, and God's divine foreknowledge
(March 23, 2017 at 3:17 am)TheAtheologian Wrote:
(March 22, 2017 at 6:30 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: ^Exactly this. 'Peer review' is an utterly meaningless concept when it comes to theology. Quite simply, there are no facts to check.

Boru

If there were, then theology couldn't survive.

Disagree. Theologians never let something as inconvenient as facts detract them from a good word salad.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#12
RE: WLC, Free Will, and God's divine foreknowledge
Theology is masturbating to the idea of selling the same mouldy imaginary product over and over again to the same gullible people, while pretending you're actually doing cutting edge research.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#13
RE: WLC, Free Will, and God's divine foreknowledge
(March 23, 2017 at 6:07 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(March 23, 2017 at 3:17 am)TheAtheologian Wrote: If there were, then theology couldn't survive.

Disagree.  Theologians never let something as inconvenient as facts detract them from a good word salad.

Boru

I guess if they can masquerade well enough with tasty word salad.
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#14
RE: WLC, Free Will, and God's divine foreknowledge
Last time I was here, we had a similar discussion about foreknowledge and free will.

If I video taped you picking a number between 1 and 10, and you picked 7, then somehow I sent that tape back in time to myself before you picked, I'd know you were going to pick 7, because I already watched you do it. But I didn't make you pick 7, that was your choice.

To which you say "But the second time, I had no choice but to pick 7". To which I'd say, there is no second time. It's the same event, the point in time is just being crossed twice.

But all this is just science fiction nonsense, so who really knows, as there are no actual rules for such things. I'm just pointing out, that you can rationalize God's foreknowledge and free will if you pretend time travel works a certain way.
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RE: WLC, Free Will, and God's divine foreknowledge
(March 21, 2017 at 6:38 am)mh.brewer Wrote: I agree with the OP: omniscient god and free will are incompatible.

(March 21, 2017 at 8:04 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: This all stems from the incoherence of the Christian conception of free will.  If you have a concept that can't be explained, practically anything can be made to seem consistent with it.  The devil is in the details, which in Christian free will, there are none.

I agree with this. The premise is that free will is something gods can grant, rather than a natural state of being humans. We can figure stuff out. 

OP's analysis is very well constructed. It was fun to follow the logic. Well said.
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#16
RE: WLC, Free Will, and God's divine foreknowledge
I disagree with the definition of will being used here.

I'd define free will as the ability for the personality to act according to its nature without external impediment.
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