Posts: 18510
Threads: 129
Joined: January 19, 2014
Reputation:
91
RE: The void
April 21, 2017 at 10:10 am
(This post was last modified: April 21, 2017 at 10:14 am by Alex K.)
(April 20, 2017 at 5:09 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: You're making me sad for you, Atlas. Something existing in your brain/imagination in no way implies that the thing you're dreaming of exists or can exist in reality. A thousand times no. There are lots of things you can make with a 3D printer and an infinite number of imaginable things that can never be made real with a 3D printer or with anything else.
The post with the wiki quote upthread illustrates what's wrong with Atlas' thinking. He quoted a piece of an article about astrophysics and cosmology to support his claim, but his understanding of what he was quoting was so incredibly shallow that he can't have done more than pick two words from it which he could spin a tale around about what he'd like the article to say. If he does the same with other "arguments"...
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
Posts: 13900
Threads: 262
Joined: January 11, 2009
Reputation:
82
RE: The void
April 21, 2017 at 10:22 am
(April 20, 2017 at 10:50 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Simon Moon
I have other dreams; believe it or not God answers the prayers.
Einstein wasn't an atheist. Newton was a theist. So many physicists believe in an order; a certain law the universe has, it didn't need to be this organized, things could've been more messy.
Einstein wasn't a theist.
How do we know?
Because he addressed this directly.
Quote:It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954) From Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press
buy it here.
http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10115.html
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.
Posts: 7677
Threads: 635
Joined: January 19, 2013
Reputation:
30
RE: The void
April 21, 2017 at 1:01 pm
(April 20, 2017 at 5:01 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (April 20, 2017 at 3:27 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Brian37
Our mental limitations give "messy" a meaning; if we have more brain cells nothing would be messy, we exist with this brain though.
If things can be assembled together, then they're not messy.
The negative is the antonym of the positive. If both didn't exist, then the neutral would not exist also. That's like saying that T.V don't exist because pets can't understand what it is.
We understood the positive and negative through science, or in other words "we proved their existence", that's all.
No, we don't exist with our brains, we are our brains in motion.
Scientists prove the existence of those particles, and their methods were NEUTRAL and not pointing to any god or any club.
If our minds can draw a scenario, then it can be turned into a reality.
It's a special ability humans have; thinking and understanding are what differ us from beasts. We create, that's what we do. Draw the image in our mind then print it.
Physics are the study of the successful way to dream; and what are the limitations to our imagination.
Mister Agenda
Quote:You're making me sad for you, Atlas. Something existing in your brain/imagination in no way implies that the thing you're dreaming of exists or can exist in reality. A thousand times no. There are lots of things you can make with a 3D printer and an infinite number of imaginable things that can never be made real with a 3D printer or with anything else.
The limitations exist. But "infinity" was already discovered and added to the concepts of mathematics, and where infinity exists, any thought can exist. Even if it was God.
Alex K
Quote:The post with the wiki quote upthread illustrates what's wrong with Atlas' thinking. He quoted a piece of an article about astrophysics and cosmology to support his claim, but his understanding of what he was quoting was so incredibly shallow that he can't have done more than pick two words from it which he could spin a tale around about what he'd like the article to say. If he does the same with other "arguments"...
Shallow it quite understandable for me, it's wasn't my field whatsoever; but I love it.
But we have particles of hydrogen and helium, but they are ionised. So they behave differently than when they're a gas.
downbeatplumb
"Not" a theist.
and also "not" an atheist.
Posts: 18510
Threads: 129
Joined: January 19, 2014
Reputation:
91
RE: The void
April 21, 2017 at 2:20 pm
@Atlas, yes they do behave a bit differently when they are a plasma... but what are you trying to tell me with that?
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
Posts: 13900
Threads: 262
Joined: January 11, 2009
Reputation:
82
RE: The void
April 22, 2017 at 4:20 am
(April 21, 2017 at 1:01 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: [quote pid='1543534' dateline='1492722113']
downbeatplumb
"Not" a theist.
and also "not" an atheist.
[/quote]
Quote:“I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one,” he wrote to a man who corresponded with him on the subject twice in the 1940s. “You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist. … I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being.”
So agnostic at best not a theist or deist.
http://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-n...25-n373991
Quote:Einstein’s religion, if you have to put a label to it, is a sort of nebulous Deism: Maybe God played in role in creating the universe — because nature inspires such awe and the universe seems perfectly guided by mathematics — but that God has no direct affect on our lives today.
Quote:If pollsters spoke with him today, they’d categorize him as a “None,” someone who wastes no energy on religion but also has no desire to become an atheist advocate.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyath...od-or-not/
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.
|
