Islam; my faith; and other faiths

[Crunchy]

AtlasS33 Wrote:
Spam!
Read my comment; then we talk.
Spam!

Verses from the Quran are not spam. Your the last person who should be saying this.

However you chose to characterise any website, it does not change the fact that those Quaranic verses exist as described. 
As an example: https://quran.com/7/176
Or this: https://quran.com/8/55
Does it bother you that people critical of the Quran accurately quote the Quran? Probably not if you simply redact those parts from your mind.

Quran 2:6-10

6. As for those who disbelieve—it is the same for them, whether you have warned them, or have not warned them—they do not believe.

7. God has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. They will have a severe torment.

8. Among the people are those who say, “We believe in God and in the Last Day,” but they are not believers.

9. They seek to deceive God and those who believe, but they deceive none but themselves, though they are not aware.

10. In their hearts is sickness, and God has increased their sickness. They will have a painful punishment because of their denial

So once again, you prove my point for me. 
You ignore the vile and evil parts of the Quran like the above noted xenophobia, and pretend they don't exist. Not surprising you would attempt to deceive as the Quran views Allah as the best deceiver. (Will you now deny this also is in the Quran?)  

 You force me to continue to ask the same question concerning the vile parts of the Quran:

Do you think that just redacting them from your mind somehow makes the problems disappear from the world outside your mind?

It's a simple question.
However, since you refuse to answer that question I'll ask another.

According to Islams own scriptures, Muhammed was a murderer, rapist and pedophile. How can you possibly think that this would be a person whose example you should follow?

[Minimalist]

He is a Shiite, belonging to the third category in my OP.

It must annoy the hell out of you that most westerners don't give a flying fuck.  They represent a different end of the same turd.  I can assure you that most 'murricans can't understand why you hate each other to the point of blowing up each others' mosques.

[Crunchy]

He is a Shiite, belonging to the third category in my OP.

It must annoy the hell out of you that most westerners don't give a flying fuck.  They represent a different end of the same turd.  I can assure you that most 'murricans can't understand why you hate each other to the point of blowing up each others' mosques.

It's odd that a guy trying to promote the beauty of islam openly posts his sectarian hatreds to an atheist forum.

[Mister Agenda]

You get rid of some of Islam's worst baggage if you drop the hadiths, in particular a certain pre-teen bride. 'Quran-only' is an approach I would like to see become more widespread among Muslims.

[WinterHold]

AtlasS33 Wrote:
Spam!
Read my comment; then we talk.
Spam!

Verses from the Quran are not spam. Your the last person who should be saying this.

No; your comment was a spam; a broken record that keeps going and going and going.
I actually responded to your statement about killing and enslaving; but you dodged my reply and repeated the broken record.
Case closed; you hate the Quran; you stated why; I replied that I love it; stated why.
Case closed. That's it.
But? you post more repeated broken record.
What do you actually want?
That is called "spam". "Broken record". 
Are you practicing keyboad jiahdism?

So once again, you prove my point for me. 
You ignore the vile and evil parts of the Quran like the above noted xenophobia, and pretend they don't exist. Not surprising you would attempt to deceive as the Quran views Allah as the best deceiver. (Will you now deny this also is in the Quran?)  

 You force me to continue to ask the same question concerning the vile parts of the Quran:

Do you see; here is the spam.
I said that the Quran contains killing.
I said that the Quran contains torture.
But you're a spam, You keep repeating the same message .
Like :
You: the Quran contains killing
Me : Yes
You: the Quran contains killing
Me : mmm you just asked me and I said yes.
And it keeps going and going and going.
Broken record.
Spam.
Another thing you need to learn is context. Read the verse and what's behind it in the same Sura. Sometimes you need to read a lot.
Quoting one word and neglecting the rest, is a disaster.
It's called "Cherry picking".
Accuse me of bringing the good things only; I accuse you of cherry picking with a false context to aid your point.
Be honest, and quote the good, and the bad.

It's a simple question.
However, since you refuse to answer that question I'll ask another.

According to Islams own scriptures, Muhammed was a murderer, rapist and pedophile. How can you possibly think that this would be a person whose example you should follow?

Yes; the Hadith pictures him like that.
See my OP; I don't believe in the Hadith.
But keep repeating that broken record.
Minimalist

No. Some do; and they play on the differences and conflict between Muslim sects to make Muslims weaker and steal their natural resources more easily.
When America invaded Iraq in 2003; they played on these differences: they got into the country with the help of Shiite opposition and Sunni Kurdish support; Let's not forget the Shiite Iran and Sunni Saudi Arabia.

Until this day, Iraq is a turmoil between Sunna and Shia after the American invasion.
Syria is the same; Assad is a Shiite, opposition is mostly Sunni.

Divide and conquer is a very low tactic.

Western crimes in Sykes-Picot left a mark. A sever mark.

[Crunchy]

AtlasS33 Wrote:
I said that the Quran contains killing.
I said that the Quran contains torture.

You: the Quran contains killing
Me : Yes

Wrong! I didn’t ask you if the Quran contains killing, everyone already knows that it contains killing and endorses killing (murder). It also endorses wife beating, cutting off hands for petty theft, raping female war prisoner, a women’s testimony is less than a mans and so on.
About the vile verses, I asked why you excuse them away or pretend they are not there. And you won’t answer. That’s the problem!

And it keeps going and going and going.

Because you keep refusing and refusing and refusing to answer a simple question and instead obfuscate. 

It's called "Cherry picking".

Which is exactly what YOU were doing by quoting a couple of lines and refusing to answer the question I posed about redacting the vile parts of the Quran from your mind. Are you the best deceiver or is it Allah as the Quran tells us? BTW, it’s also vile that a claimed god has to resort to deception rather than relying on honesty. Another terrible thing about the Quran that I'm sure you ignore.

Yes; the Hadith pictures him like that.
See my OP; I don't believe in the Hadith.

I thought you just said Cherry picking was bad? Now you want to ignore the history of your own prophet as told by his companions because it’s that horrible? 
But, even leaving out the Hadith, Muhammed still councils murderer (Quran ad:nauseum), rape(Quran 4:24) and pedophilia (Quaran 65:4) All fine according to the head murderer, rapist and pedophile whom you worship. 

And let’s not pretend that these vile teachings don’t have real world consequences.

[Crunchy]

You get rid of some of Islam's worst baggage if you drop the hadiths, in particular a certain pre-teen bride. 'Quran-only' is an approach I would like to see become more widespread among Muslims.

The Quran allows you to divorce your wife after three months if she has not yet started menstruating. That means that little girls are fair game even without the Hadith. It makes sense that a pedophile would include such a rule. 

Also, The Quran is so full of xenophobic hatred of the unbeliever that it makes Mein Kampf look like the care bears. A Quran only approach is a marginal improvement at best but it's never going to happen anyway.

[WinterHold]

AtlasS33 Wrote:
I said that the Quran contains killing.
I said that the Quran contains torture.

You: the Quran contains killing
Me : Yes

Wrong! I didn’t ask you if the Quran contains killing

https://atheistforums.org/thread-48676-p...pid1544873

You replied with some "good" quotes (as predicted) while completely ignoring all the vile and horrible parts in the Quran that says that the Kafir may be deceived, hated, enslaved, mocked, tortured and killed. Your "good" verses have been abrogated!

Broken record..

[WinterHold]

It must annoy the hell out of you that most westerners don't give a flying fuck.  They represent a different end of the same turd.  I can assure you that most 'murricans can't understand why you hate each other to the point of blowing up each others' mosques.

It's odd that a guy trying to promote the beauty of islam openly posts his sectarian hatreds to an atheist forum.

It's not me who called Sunnies, Sunnies.
Also it's not me who called Shiites, Shiites.
They called themselves that. They even have their own books specifying why they are Sunnies or Shiites.
I post here because I am to be torn to pieces if I post what I post in Sunni forums, or Shiite forums.
I don't promote the beauty only; I also promote the sad description of hell.
Heaven and hell.

[Minimalist]

For those who don't know.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-16047709

In early Islamic history, the Shia were a movement - literally "Shiat Ali" or the "Party of Ali". They claimed that Ali was the rightful successor to the Prophet Muhammad as leader (imam) of the Muslim community following his death in 632.
Ali was assassinated in 661 after a five-year caliphate that was marred by civil war. His sons, Hassan and Hussein, were denied what they thought was their legitimate right of accession to the caliphate.
Hassan is believed to have been poisoned in 680 by Muawiyah, the first caliph of the Sunni Umayyad dynasty, while Hussein was killed on the battlefield by the Umayyads in 681. These events gave rise to the Shia concept of martyrdom and the rituals of grieving.

2017 - 661 = 1,356 years ago.  Get the fuck over it already.