Noam Chomsky: Trump-Russia story is 'a joke.'

[CapnAwesome]

I've said myself that this is actually the silver lining of Trump, which is that it's better to have good relations with Russia than to have bad relations. Not sure why Democrats are in favor of having worse relations with Russia. He also says that the US interfered openly to get Boris Yeltsin in office in the 90s. What say you?

[Thumpalumpacus]

Good relations with Russia aren't unequivocally good or bad ... but Putin's game seems clearly to be attempting to wedge NATO apart. I'd look on any offer of theirs as a baited hook unless shown otherwise.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

The video is mistitled. Chomsky doesn't say that the collusion between the campaign and Russia is a joke, but that it's a joke how much time is being spent talking about it.

While he's correct that the US has - often blatantly - interfered with the democratic process of other countries, I think he's off the mark when he implies that the US should simply forget it happened and proceed to improve relations with Russia.

Boru

[CapnAwesome]

The video is mistitled.  Chomsky doesn't say that the collusion between the campaign and Russia is a joke, but that it's a joke how much time is being spent talking about it.

While he's correct that the US has - often blatantly - interfered with the democratic process of other countries, I think he's off the mark when he implies that the US should simply forget it happened and proceed to improve relations with Russia.  

Boru

I think what he's referring to is that it's a joke considering that we've interfered far more with the Russians then whatever they did in this election. They revealed information we should have had access to anyway, where as we have supported coups to overthrow democratically elected leaders lots. Sorry if you felt the title was misleading, I was just editing for space. It's only a 4 minute clip so not that long to listen to and get what he's talking about.

I do think we should improve relations with Russia. There is really no downside to it. Obama saying that we are going to get them back cyber-wise just means that they are going to get us back again and etc etc etc. We don't need more cold war.

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Good relations with Russia aren't unequivocally good or bad ... but Putin's game seems clearly to be attempting to wedge NATO apart. I'd look on any offer of theirs as a baited hook unless shown otherwise.

What's the upside to having worse relations to Russia?

Nato was made as a reaction to the Soviet Union, which doesn't even exist anymore.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

The video is mistitled.  Chomsky doesn't say that the collusion between the campaign and Russia is a joke, but that it's a joke how much time is being spent talking about it.

While he's correct that the US has - often blatantly - interfered with the democratic process of other countries, I think he's off the mark when he implies that the US should simply forget it happened and proceed to improve relations with Russia.  

Boru

I think what he's referring to is that it's a joke considering that we've interfered far more with the Russians then whatever they did in this election. They revealed information we should have had access to anyway, where as we have supported coups to overthrow democratically elected leaders lots. Sorry if you felt the title was misleading, I was just editing for space. It's only a 4 minute clip so not that long to listen to and get what he's talking about.

I do think we should improve relations with Russia. There is really no downside to it. Obama saying that we are going to get them back cyber-wise just means that they are going to get us back again and etc etc etc. We don't need more cold war.

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Good relations with Russia aren't unequivocally good or bad ... but Putin's game seems clearly to be attempting to wedge NATO apart. I'd look on any offer of theirs as a baited hook unless shown otherwise.

What's the upside to having worse relations to Russia?

Nato was made as a reaction to the Soviet Union, which doesn't even exist anymore.

(bold mine)You don't think the current incarnation of Mother Russia is a threat to Europe?

Boru

[Thumpalumpacus]

Good relations with Russia aren't unequivocally good or bad ... but Putin's game seems clearly to be attempting to wedge NATO apart. I'd look on any offer of theirs as a baited hook unless shown otherwise.

What's the upside to having worse relations to Russia?

Nato was made as a reaction to the Soviet Union, which doesn't even exist anymore.

1) And the US was formed in protest to the Crown controlling our policies. Should we disband?

2) Refusing Russian seduction would certainly allow the only power on the continent able to resist Russia to remain intact ... while giving into it would greatly weaken the alliance militarily and psychologically.

[dyresand]

at this point this is the reality of the situation we have the left angry that a certain someone lost of trump.
the point is this same party is so weak and pathetic it effectively continues to kill itself with their actions while at the same time
dragging a progressive across the US on a unity tour. but they don't stop and look at the fact they pushed a person who is universally hated
on both sides for many many reasons. this is all to cover up the fact she out spent trump and wasted all that money and in reality this whole
trump and russia story is to make us look away from the fact that there is corruption at the highest level in government. it's already apparent with the
clinton crowed the wikileaks and other leaked material and with that you can argue your basis against her and anyone really in the obama team.
again they are calling for war against russia on a false pretense they got caught and americans learned the truth. So yeah um.. that's pretty much the reason.

[downbeatplumb]

at this point this is the reality of the situation we have the left angry that a certain someone lost of trump.
the point is this same party is so weak and pathetic it effectively continues to kill itself with their actions while at the same time
dragging a progressive across the US on a unity tour. but they don't stop and look at the fact they pushed a person who is universally hated
on both sides for many many reasons. this is all to cover up the fact she out spent trump and wasted all that money and in reality this whole
trump and russia story is to make us look away from the fact that there is corruption at the highest level in government. it's already apparent with the
clinton crowed the wikileaks and other leaked material and with that you can argue your basis against her and anyone really in the obama team.
again they are calling for war against russia on a false pretense they got caught and americans learned the truth. So yeah um.. that's pretty much the reason.

Trump won because nasty people have the vote too.

Hilary Clinton was an experienced and competent politician who had the best interests of the American people.


Trump just said any old shit that would get him elected and that meant more and more appealing to the baser parts of society, the racists, the arm chair warriors and the people who want to impose their beliefs on everyone else, you know the evangelical Christians.

Trump is the one currently goading Russia in an attempt to make himself seem less of a Russian tool, he's also goading North Korea and started having a go at Iran. I predicted he would start a war with someone in his first four months and at the moment he's bang on track with multiple possible foes.

If we escape his reign with an intact society he'd have done better than I expected.


"But her e-mails "

[Mystical]

at this point this is the reality of the situation we have the left angry that a certain someone lost of trump.
the point is this same party is so weak and pathetic it effectively continues to kill itself with their actions while at the same time
dragging a progressive across the US on a unity tour. but they don't stop and look at the fact they pushed a person who is universally hated
on both sides for many many reasons. this is all to cover up the fact she out spent trump and wasted all that money and in reality this whole
trump and russia story is to make us look away from the fact that there is corruption at the highest level in government. it's already apparent with the
clinton crowed the wikileaks and other leaked material and with that you can argue your basis against her and anyone really in the obama team.
again they are calling for war against russia on a false pretense they got caught and americans learned the truth. So yeah um.. that's pretty much the reason.

underline by moi :

I was following you up till this underlined bit. Can you elaborate please? 

Also what false pretense to war is it you're speaking of? The Espionage Act or the Foreign Agents Act?

Quoting his mainstream most well known antics in public forum (not even mentioning what's gone on behind closed doors or by his hand with his handy foreign agents in charge)  he has: 

A. Incited a foreign power (a very unfriendly one at that) to interfere with local elections or wage cyber warfare on his own country. 

B. Undermining democracy by Denigrating the findings of our foreign intelligence and protection agencies (the CIA and FBI) by disckunting and counteracting their intel about Russia who without a doubt was involved in hacking both our domestic political parties communications during an election.

3. Donald J Trump publically made foreign policy commentary that gave aid or comfort to Russia as president elect. On world broadcast. You can't fucking do that. Only the President is allowed to make official foreign policy towards other nations, and in fact his actions were undermining the current presidents' stance on foreign policy.

the Logan Act, which states that any citizen of the United States who corresponds with a foreign government with an intent to “influence measures” in relation to any disputes or controversies within the United States may be fined or imprisoned.

A for those unsure why good relations with Russia is even tangible, I mean.. What the fuck?

For those who want to know what America will be like if Trump slides by unscathed after performing innumerable acts of treason? Read this article. It shows you what society is like (in Russia) when you can no longer trust in the Sanctity of any agency.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/201...erica.html

Yes I did a. B. 3. To make u laugh. This is serious shit, sometimes u just gotta laugh!

[GUBU]

I've said myself that this is actually the silver lining of Trump, which is that it's better to have good relations with Russia than to have bad relations. Not sure why Democrats are in favor of having worse relations with Russia. He also says that the US interfered openly to get Boris Yeltsin in office in the 90s. What say you?

Why would anybody in their right minds want to cozy up to a neo-nazi dictator running his country into the ground?