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RE: Muslim Child Brides
October 2, 2010 at 6:12 am
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(October 1, 2010 at 10:22 pm)theVOID Wrote: Because to the ones we are talking about, raping children is part of their 'religious freedom'.
If you read the thread, "we" can't seem to help let leak out the notion that we're not just talking about the ones who rape children, "we" are talking about a whole lot of other people as well - people who claim the prophet as theirs, true muslims, those who possess a koran, barbarians who in one post are juxtaposed to xtians and Jews. It's fairly obvious there is a consistent intention in this thread is to implicate all muslims in underage sex.
1) It is wrong to have sex with children 2) it is wrong to deny people their freedom of religion are two concepts that cannot overlap. If someone is violating the first principle then they still keep the second, just so long as they are in prison and children are protected from them for the rest of their lives.
(October 1, 2010 at 11:25 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:1) It is wrong to have sex with children 2) it is wrong to deny muslims their freedom of religion.
Because "2" disputes "1".
No it doesn't. That's just a convenient bit of woolly thinking because you want to demonise all muslims.
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I will willingly add that catholic priests seem to suffer from the same problem if that makes you feel better. What proportion of catholic priests suffer from this problem? A tiny proportion. And what causes the problem? Religion? No. It's institutionalised secrecy. Could the same problem happen in an atheist organisation with poor procedures for safeguarding children? Yes, of course it could. So what are you talking about?
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RE: Muslim Child Brides
October 2, 2010 at 8:21 am
(October 1, 2010 at 9:53 pm)Existentialist Wrote: This appears to be turning into yet another excuse for the dehumanisation of muslims and another round of religious persecution. What is so difficult about holding in our heads two ideas at the same time? 1) It is wrong to have sex with children 2) it is wrong to deny muslims their freedom of religion.
It is quite right to deny muslims their "freedom" of religion when that freedom entails the suffering or enslavement of others.
Don't forget that muslims have no problems denying freedom of/from religion to others in their power.
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RE: Muslim Child Brides
October 2, 2010 at 8:28 am
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(October 2, 2010 at 8:21 am)Zen Badger Wrote: It is quite right to deny muslims their "freedom" of religion when that freedom entails the suffering or enslavement of others.
Don't forget that muslims have no problems denying freedom of/from religion to others in their power. So in what way are you disagreeing with me? When freedom of religion does not entail the suffering of others, we are both agreed that it is wrong to deny that freedom. We seem to be arguing the same thing. When you mention muslims having no problem denying freedom to others, you need to say whether you mean all muslims or some muslims. If you mean some muslims I can agree with you - just as some christians, some atheists, some communists deny freedoms to others in their power.
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RE: Muslim Child Brides
October 2, 2010 at 10:19 am
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I brought this same subject up a couple times but did not tie it into religion, I attempted to tie it into subjective morality, the subjective definition of a "child".
I only got one response, which I expected responses would be low due to the difficult/uncomfortable question of morality, from Pad. Only thing he did was define a common age of consent which really didn't answer the question posed at all.
Well, he did state "No" to the question would he be a child molester if he had sex with a child who was declared 'legal age of consent' by the country she resided in. So..............
Based on that response, in Yemen if that "legal age" were 10/11/12 then he would not be a child molester/rapist.
Who draws the defining line? You? Me? The leaders of their perspective countries?
In MY humble opinion the age of consent is between 16-18. According to THIS list it seems I am in agreement with a majority of U.S. State leaders. So I cannot help to wonder where is the outrage over Idaho and Hawaii allowing men to have sex with 14 year old girls? FOURTEEN! Is there any among you all here that are over the age of 30 that would argue a 14 year old is NOT a child?
I think it is because a religion got into the mix is what is causing this outcry.
A 25 year old man gains the consent of a 14 year old girl and they have sex. CHILD MOLESTER! RAPIST! CUT HIS BALLS OFF! TOSS HIM IN THE HOOSEGOW! Move two states over and everything is hunky-dory. It's O.K., you can bang the hell outta her with out worry over being jail-baited.
Let that man be a priest or a muslim in a far-away land and it's back to the 'cut his balls off' mentality no matter what the definition of legal age in the land they are in is.
I don't get it.
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RE: Muslim Child Brides
October 2, 2010 at 1:46 pm
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(October 2, 2010 at 10:19 am)Dotard Wrote: Based on that response, in Yemen if that "legal age" were 10/11/12 then he would not be a child molester/rapist.
Yeah, they would because a human is still physiologically a child at that age & saying otherwise is just being purposefully disingenuous.
(October 2, 2010 at 10:19 am)Dotard Wrote: So I cannot help to wonder where is the outrage over Idaho and Hawaii allowing men to have sex with 14 year old girls? FOURTEEN! Is there any among you all here that are over the age of 30 that would argue a 14 year old is NOT a child?
What part of
Jaysyn Wrote:children are as young as 6 are being legally raped in Yemen was unclear to you?
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RE: Muslim Child Brides
October 2, 2010 at 2:02 pm
Only modernization will erase this. Now when will that happen (without a war)? Sorry little Muslim girls... 
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RE: Muslim Child Brides
October 2, 2010 at 2:24 pm
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(October 2, 2010 at 2:02 pm)HeyItsZeus Wrote: war Who to invade next? Iran, Yemen, Iran, Yemen... eeny, meeny, miny, moe,
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RE: Muslim Child Brides
October 2, 2010 at 4:38 pm
(October 2, 2010 at 2:24 pm)Existentialist Wrote: (October 2, 2010 at 2:02 pm)HeyItsZeus Wrote: war Who to invade next? Iran, Yemen, Iran, Yemen... eeny, meeny, miny, moe, Catch a Lybia by the toe
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RE: Muslim Child Brides
October 6, 2010 at 3:40 pm
Quote:Let me make this perfectly clear, children are as young as 6 are being legally raped in Yemen & many other countries as a direct result of Islam.
Could you please name these "many" countries?
The two countries I know for a fact still allow this shit is Yemen and Saudi Arabia, unfortunately.
Statistically speaking, most of the under-age marriages happen within the severely under-educated villagers, and of-course, Najd, where the Wahhabi movement started
The problem is that Najdies have a tight grip on the judicial system. There are serious attempts though from the Saudi liberal movement to criminalize this shameful act, and with the public support this is pound to happen. Day by day the Najdi cunts are losing power, it's just a matter of time.
As for Yemen, I can't see anything changing anytime soon..
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RE: Muslim Child Brides
October 6, 2010 at 3:43 pm
Quote:No it doesn't. That's just a convenient bit of woolly thinking because you want to demonise all muslims.
Only those who want to fuck small girls, guy. If you are okay with that, well....what can I say.
That they use their fucking barbaric religion as cover for doing so is really what we are talking about.
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