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RE: Pentecost Sunday - just reporting in
June 14, 2017 at 3:46 am
Drich Wrote:Like I've pointed out in the past God will nt bless a corrupt understand or version of Himself.
Why would you think that? Be honest. Perhaps it is because you are tucked safely inside the bubble of your own religion and you're unaware that believers belonging to contradictory religions have been claiming miracles for thousands of years. For instance Cat Stevens aka Yusuf Islam believes Allah saved his life so he turned to Islam.
drfuzzy Wrote:so the Priest was going on about the "gifts of the Spirit". Healings, miracles, speaking in tongues, stuff that you usually don't talk about in a Catholic Church. And this is a young (late 20's) intense, zealous guy. And he was just ripping into the congregation: "If you would get down on your knees every single day and DEMAND that the Spirit keep his promises, everything in your life would improve! The Holy Spirit fixes what we cannot!
I really don't understand why Christians think that Holy Spirit fixes things? Was it because of Jesus? If we follow the Gospels we can see Jesus was liar and a lunatic: Jesus implicitly believed the utterly erroneous view of life presented in the Jewish books; he believed that all diseases were due to possession by demons, and that the end of the world was near. He was not omnipotent, and had not the power to fashion the hearts and minds of men otherwise than they were. Vowing terrible vengeance on the cities which did not bow down to his crude and illiterate disciples. He thought it not unnatural that other people should regard him as insane; or that God should not be quite sure when he would destroy the world, but tentatively put it about the year 70.
I mean if they believe in Jesus because of his supposed healing powers then why not better embrace medical science since it is far more superior then Jesus and people of 2000 years ago who saw illnesses were due to diabolical possession? What do they think Jesus will heal them by throwing their disease to heard of swines?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Pentecost Sunday - just reporting in
June 14, 2017 at 8:21 pm
(June 14, 2017 at 12:34 pm)Drich Wrote: Let's say you believe God trades good deed for answering prayers. you do a few good deeds and ask god for a car and boom you get a car. now in minds eye this is how God works.
Said the used car salesman.
(June 14, 2017 at 12:34 pm)Drich Wrote: Or perhaps it is you who does not understand God is not the only one in a position to 'answer prayers.'
Who else answers prayers? Gandalf?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
