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The First Century Void
#91
RE: The First Century Void
Yeah if Josephus considered Jesus so wonderful then why dedicate only few lines to him when whole pages are devoted to petty robbers and obscure seditious leaders? Nearly forty chapters are devoted to a single king.

And what is this

(June 27, 2017 at 11:28 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: the mythicist position is silent until about the 18th century.....  

Can you switch off your delusion, take of your beer goggles for moment because did I not show you dialogues with Clesus who obviously thought Jesus was a myth? There where people that considered Jesus as a myth from the very beginnings, since Paul started preaching and he was very well aware that Jesus story is stupid and you can figure out it's just a myth by only thinking for he said that people should not think and actually be stupid and then they can believe Jesus really existed 1 Corinthians 3:18-19, "Let no one deceive himself. If any one among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise. For the wisdom of this world is folly with God."

Corinthians 4:10 "We are fools for Christ's sake, but you are wise in Christ";

1 Corinthians 1:19-21 "It is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the cleverness of the clever I will thwart. Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom";
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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#92
RE: The First Century Void
So the despite all the evidence that's been presented. Roads only objection is people were not arguing Jesus was a myth and people didn't notice a ancient document was a forgery . Yup that's dynamite objection you have there road Dodgy . And it's not conspiracy theory.
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#93
RE: The First Century Void
Except, ofc, that they -were- calling jesusism a myth, and denouncing the entire field of their faith as a categorical forgery.  

Hmn, how was it that Pliny summarized christers and jesusism?  Ah yes, harmless practices, in accord with depraved, excessive superstition. It wasn;t even a religion, as far as he could tell..and, given the timeframe..it probably -wasn't- recognizable as a religion then. Just a bunch of disparate simpletons that a governor saw no reason to kill for their simplicity alone.
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#94
RE: The First Century Void
And of course your right Kam the whole being killed thing I imagine would discourage  most from questioning Jesus historicity . And it honestly does not matter when mysticism started. What matters is if it's true.
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#95
RE: The First Century Void
I know, but I like to point out that our resident apologists never seem to manage to get a single thing right, even the inconsequential shit to the matter at hand.  

Hell, you'd think they;d have gotten something right on accident, by now................it's almost as if getting this shit entirely wrong is an article of their faith or something.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#96
RE: The First Century Void
1st Century Void sounds like the title of a bad episode of Battlestar Galactica . . .
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#97
RE: The First Century Void
Quote:The conspiracy theory that you are proposing, is that Eusebius need a source that he didn't have, so he forged one into Josephus, cited it, and then no one noticed (or was silent concerning it) and he somehow got rid of all other copies. My tin foil hat is currently in the wash... but you will need to make a better case, to convince me of this tale.

It did not exist before Eusebius and then it did.  Cui Bono, as the lawyers say "who benefits."  It is not as if Eusebius has any reputation for integrity.  He was an early church propagandist.  Sort of the Kellyanne Conway of his day.

But as I said earlier there is no convincing you because you desperately do not want to be convinced.  As the saying goes, "you can lead a jackass to water but you can't make him drink."

Eusebius' talent for lying extends to the so-called epistles of Ignatius of Antioch.  Back in 2007, Herr Von Popenfuhrer, taking a break from diddling little boys, I imagine, stood in front of a crowd and said:

Quote:Eusebius writes: "The Report says that he [Ignatius] was sent from Syria to Rome, and became food for wild beasts on account of his testimony to Christ. And as he made the journey through Asia under the strictest military surveillance" (he called the guards "ten leopards" in his Letter to the Romans, 5:1), "he fortified the parishes in the various cities where he stopped by homilies and exhortations, and warned them above all to be especially on their guard against the heresies that were then beginning to prevail, and exhorted them to hold fast to the tradition of the Apostles".

https://www.ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/b1...hrch32.htm

So here is a guy who is being sent all the way from fucking Turkey to Rome to be executed - hint, the Romans were not that inefficient - under "strictest military surveillance" but those guards still allowed him to write and speak to other groups of (supposedly) illegal xtians?  The problem with someone like you, RR, is that you will look at that and say "yup, that's what the holy horseshitters said so it must be true...praise jebus." without a critical thought ever being allowed to form in your fucking head.  The situation described by "Eusebius" and later enshrined by the Panzer Pope is so utterly absurd as to be beyond belief.  But idiot jesus freaks fall for it hook, line and sinker.
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#98
RE: The First Century Void
Yes because historians have never lied before . And certainly not the historians of jeebus. Dodgy

Quote:It did not exist before Eusebius and then it did

indeed good luck finding those other none existent prior  copies road
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#99
RE: The First Century Void
No let me add to that . Oh yeah ancient historians have never lied before and then were caught later. Hmm maybe no noticed because no one bothered to check . Or didn't care if it was true.
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

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RE: The First Century Void
(June 26, 2017 at 11:52 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:
(June 26, 2017 at 10:47 am)Minimalist Wrote: The interrupted flow of the writing is obvious

Or would style of writing of a devout Jew, like Josephus, apparently include describing Jesus as wonderful and making commercial for him? I mean can't you see how desperate you are Christians?

(June 26, 2017 at 10:47 am)Minimalist Wrote: not even jesus freak writers - knew fuckall about it until Eusebius forged it in the 4th century.

Yes, like one Jesus freak writer, Origen in 2nd century, who actually complained in his treatise "Contra Celsum" that there is no historical mentioning of Jesus "is one of the most difficult undertakings that can be attempted, and is in some instances an impossibility"
chapter 42 http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/04161.htm

So TF would have been his ace in the hole and yet he has never heard of TF although he knows works of Josephus very well.

Haven't you considered the likelihood that the "Contra Celsum" is a fraud?  Is there an actual copy of the original manuscript?  

BTW, there was no guy named "Josephus" at that time period because the name didn't exist at that time.  Whatever his name it sure as hell wasn't "Josephus".
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